and still has incredible safety with his E and Q. if you're gonna give him insane burst, make his E less effective at just giving him a guaranteed engage and escape. paired with zhonyas, he can ult, e in to delete whoever he ulted, then zhonyas while waiting for his e to come off cooldown. raise the cooldown on his e? maybe?
Ashenvall13 votesFizz is cancer af. Maybe he is ignored in pro play right now, but he will be more busted soon thanks to riot.
Steelflame3 votesFizz is cancer af. Maybe he is ignored in pro play right now, but he will be more busted soon thanks to riot.
The only reason they are buffing him is because his mini-W rework left him at 45% win rate. But then again the Fizz haters would only be happy when he is at a 0% win and play rate.
Ashenvall6 votesThe only reason they are buffing him is because his mini-W rework left him at 45% win rate. But then again the Fizz haters would only be happy when he is at a 0% win and play rate.
When fizz will get real counterplay and not invulnerability every 18-10 sec on a basic ability. And maybe we can consider for some buffs >_>
The steam life1 votesBut he has a 48.5% winrate. So why did they up his engage ratios by a total of 40% plus 10% per auto attack. They could have done like a 10% q ratio and be done but it’s not riot unless they make terrible balance decisions.
Fízz v26 votesYou know whats safer than Fizz with his E and Q? A champion that doesnt have to get in melee range to do damage in the first place :^)
Zëd Lęppelin3 votesName checks out
Fízz v24 votesI just wonder why people dont pick this broken champ in lcs even tho he can oneshot you with no counterplay under tower at level 6 and is incredibly safe with his E :thinking:
Highwiseene1 votesThe same reason solo queue monsters like karthus, riven, jax top, and twisted fate don't see pro play frequently- their weaknesses are EXTREMELY exploitable by coordinated teams and their strengths aren't as good against coordinated teams.
Fízz v23 votesWhat weaknesses tho? I thought Fizz just oneshots people with 0 counterplay and can never be caught because of his E?
Highwiseene2 votesThat's a false dichotomy. A champion can simultaneously one shot without counterplay while not being super strong at the same time due to other aspects of their gameplay.
Fizz has high kill rates in almost every mage matchup(according to op.gg), yet despite that he still has a negative winrate in many of them. This is because one shotting without counterplay is literally all he does, similar to akali or rengar.
If fizz were to get picked in pro play, you could expect to see a lot of jungle proximity around mid lane to ensure he doesn't get any kills when he spikes. He would not be able to accomplish much, a few kills at most, before the laning phase ends. Then he would be completely useless due to the coordination, positioning, and warding of the enemy team. Quite simply put, he would never be in a position to one shot outside of laning phase.
Edit: I'm not saying hes broken right now, im just explaining why he won't see pro play often in his current state no matter how meta he is.
Fízz v21 votesBut Fizz has a skillshot ult that is a big part of his damage, a dodgable E and Q, and many delays in his kit. Id argue he is one of the highest, if not the highest counterplay assassin. Especially since all other assassins can farm and poke from range.
You know... as much "counterplay" as is possible in a game where ignite and electrocute removes almost half of ur hp xd.
Highwiseene1 votesIf his hitboxes weren't as big as they are, I would completely agree with you. A lot of fizz's issues come from the fact that he can't poke from range, so he has to be able to just delete you since he has nothing else of value in his kit.
If they encouraged shorter trades to whittle down the enemy before committing with ult he would be a much healthier champion in my opinion. You would have clear windows to back off(besides "Oh, I don't have flash I can't approach my minions anymore").
However, since electrocute is a rune, I doubt that will ever happen. I miss the way thunderlords played out in lane, but alas, things must change.
The steam life1 votesBut the things you list as “skill shots” aren’t really. Technically kassadin ulti is a skill shot but 90% of the time he’s not gonna miss unless you flash. Same with fizz e. His q is just straight up targeted so? And he no longer has any really delays besides ulti which has a MASSIVE hit box. And guess what they buffed his guppy ratio by 30% so he can be right next to you.
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But Fizz has a skillshot ult that is a big part of his damage, a dodgable E and Q, and many delays in his kit. Id argue he is one of the highest, if not the highest counterplay assassin. Especially since all other assassins can farm and poke from range.
You know... as much "counterplay" as is possible in a game where ignite and electrocute removes almost half of ur hp xd.
This is incredibly ignorant.
Fizz's ult is actually not avoidable without some form of mobility in your kit. This isn't hyperbole; if he throws it straight at you, you literally do not have enough time to get out of it's way before it attaches, no matter which direction you run in. You might be able to just barely get away with upgraded boots, Luden's, and Celerity, but it's a big maybe that heavily depends on your champion's size.
Pretend you're Vel'koz wave clearing with double tapped W (1050 range). Fizz throws his shark straight at you, and you start running away immediately. It travels at 1300 speed, so after 0.8 seconds, it's traveled 1050 units and is exactly where you were when Fizz threw it. With 403 movement speed, you move 322 units in this time, but the shark's radius is 450; you got hit.
This is a perfect scenario with instantaneous reaction and no latency, and Fizz being at max range of your wave clear. It's much worse when you factor in latency and reaction time to Fizz throwing the shark, and in reality, he's going to be closer than 1050 units from you.
Whether Fizz's ult lands is completely on the Fizz player. If you miss, it's because you're bad, not because your opponent was good and dodged it. Hoping your opponent is a bad player does not qualify as counterplay.
And given that his ult is not avoidable, your entire argument is invalid. You cannot dodge his E while his shark is slowing you by 80%, and his Q is a targeted ability, so I'm not sure why you even implied it's dodgable (???)
And this is why Fizz is sitting at 57% win rate at Diamond right now.
Shablagoo3 votesThe funny thing is people think because you have mobility you seem to take no dmg or something
saltran6 votesHe's weak right now on soloQ and ignored on pro play but the Boards will find a way to make him look OP.
ΦmalphintoΦ3 votesHe's weak right now on soloQ and ignored on pro play but the Boards will find a way to make him look OP.
Exactly whining about fizz when he is not played already, and letting Zed / Talon / Leblanc / Evelynn / Kata / Yasou / Shaco / Rengar to do whatever they want.
CppL3 votesalmost 49% win ratio ,21% ban ratio ,8% pick ratio.Prety damn balanced to me.
saltran3 votesalmost 49% win ratio ,21% ban ratio ,8% pick ratio.Prety damn balanced to me.
48.6 winrate 3.4 pickrate 18.1 banrate
Stats from Plat and + https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/
He is weak and I'm glad that he's getting buffs, even though I hope they dont overbuff him because he's cancer when strong, the thing is, that he's not stong right now.
CppL2 votesHes fine.Actually fizz and kata are the most balanced assasins in the game.Is just other assasins are fucking broken.
Hayaishi3 votesIts like Riot doesn't do math anymore.
Kadexe2 votesWon't get nerfed unless it's overpowered. Fact is, that Playful/Trickster is kept balanced by a long cooldown (early game) and high mana cost.
Marothennan1 votesWho would have imagined?
Morgy Morgy1 votesfizz buffs on pbe, w and ult... i mean, i play fizz. ive played him since season 4. i dont play him as often anymore but he used to be one of my favs. his ult already does disgusting damage in a huge area of effect, why is riot giving it more damage?
