You can't dodge her harass. You can't harass her because she'll just heal. You can't all-in her because you'll just get rooted. What can you do to counter her??? Nothing. This champion is extremely poorly designed. She is way too safe while being way too easy to bully. As a long rang poker should not have any sustain. That healing is totally out of place and should be removed.
Dynikus5 votesAs a long rang poker should not have any sustain.
???? What sustain support doesn't have long range poke?
You can't dodge her harass. You can't harass her because she'll just heal. You can't all-in her because you'll just get CC'd.
Like with just this description alone, you could be talking about Sona, Nami, Senna, Yuumi...
Darth Sucadic 1 votesI don't see how. Sona has to waste ult. Nami's skill shot is very difficult to land, easily dodged, Yuumi is not the least bit similar.
ŚtrongMental3 votes[{quoted}](name=Darth Sucadic ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OBEpEHEN,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-17T03:27:01.887+0000)
I don't see how. Sona has to waste ult. Nami's skill shot is very difficult to land, easily dodged, Yuumi is not the least bit similar.
I love how people forget about sona's passive... NOBODY truly understands how to play with her passive AT ALL.. jesus christ.
i love how people assume that if you all in towards the adc//nami you are just magically going to dodge a skillshot that is (almost) promised to land if you aren't braindead
I love how ... wait yuumi is broken. fuck that champion...
Jimmy Rustles4 votesYou can very easily dodge her harass, the only thing that you cant is her AA, just like most AA's
She's super easy to all in, she has very low base HP so if you're someone like naut/blitz/pyke/thresh/brand/etc you can either grip her in for a kill, or just blow her up yourself
Mortismo1 votesyou cant sidestep her q and her autoattacks are just fucking unbearable to play vs cause she just steals ur soul on cooldown, its really aids
Pandemic Punch3 votesShe isnt over powered. She might need some adjustments but not over powered.
One of the few things that I find is very awkward is why she has a stronger heal than nami while also being able to deal a lot of poke damage. Riot needs to give her a more clear identity because it does make picking Nami near pointless if Senna is open.
If you want over powered, that would be Nautilus. I wouldn't be too quick to make changes to nautilus though because preseason will be here in a few days and it can potentially shake up the meta. It would be nice to have other supports back in the meta again instead of Nautilus, Leona, or Blitcrank every game. If it isnt those supports, it is going to be Senna cause she is new or a mage.
I want to have a meta again where
Enchanter > Mage Mage > Tank Tank > Enchanter
Would be nice to have real Supports back in the position. They just feel horrible to play because if you are vs a poke lane, you dont do anything at all. Especially since your adc will likely fucking pick Kaisa, Ezreal, or Jhin.
ŚtrongMental1 votesI actually think she's tuned just right for what is to come... but thats my opinion
iiGazeii2 votesHer root is one of the slowest projectiles in the game, has a lower duration and a longer cooldown than most other similar roots, and the root itself is on a delay after landing. It's subpar compared to the CC of other supports. Dodge it or cleanse it. Besides, she's slow. Anybody with mobility can still engage on her so long as they save their mobility until after the root is out, even if they tank it. If you engaged on a Lux or Morgana, they'd have a much easier time getting away from you than Senna.
She's vulnerable to burst damage from enemies who can get in her face and to skillshots that need to be dodged.
Hook supports or mage supports demolish her, since she can't effectively trade while avoiding skillshots. Hook her and delete her or dunk her with a combo if she stops to attack. She'll need to either choose between living or contributing. She can't do both. She can only heal so much, and the heal is on a long cooldown unless she's constantly attacking, which means she's basically standing still. If you wait for it to be down before you engage, she's made of wet paper.
Darth Sucadic 2 votesHer root is one of the slowest projectiles in the game
You need to not start your argument with an obvious lie.
Senna - Last Embrace - speed 1200 Morgana - Dark Binding - speed 1200 Lux - Light Binding - speed 1200
cooldowns roughly the same
Besides, she's slow
Senna movement speed 330 same as everyone else.
Anybody with mobility can still engage on her so long as they save their mobility until after the root is out
Assuming the Senna stands there and waits for the root to end? Of course, she will be long gone by the time it wears. How can you even say something so foolish?
If you engaged on a Lux or Morgana, they'd have a much easier time getting away from you than Senna.
WHY is that exactly?????????
Hook her and delete her or dunk her with a combo if she stops to attack.
So in other words just focus her 5v1 and pray she has no allies to help. The same advice I hear about any overpowered champion. Good one.
iiGazeii4 votesThat is a slow projectile. Sidestepping all three is hilariously easy unless they're point-blank.
Lux's Light Binding
Morgana's Dark Binding
Senna's Last Embrace
It has the cooldown of Morgana's root, the damage of Lux's root, and a lower duration than either of them until max rank. It's the worst of both worlds, plus a delay on the root itself. It's objectively the least consistent of the three.
Her movement speed is the same as most champions, but her autoattack cast time is one of the longest in the game. She spends a long time standing still with each auto, so she can't be moving around and be a threat at the same time.
The reason why you can engage on her after her root ends is because if she runs away from you, she's dealing no damage to you. The root is barely more than a second at rank 1. Senna can only travel ~450 units in that time, and that's only if she doesn't follow up on her own root at all. Most dashes can cover that distance easily. So if you save your dash until the W is down, you can still close the gap. Or just don't get hit by it at all. It's a slow projectile.
Lux can follow up on her (longer) root with a slow to get even further away. Morgana can follow up on her (even longer) root with free damage while walking away unhindered with Black Shield. Senna has no other CC than Dark Passage, which has a delay, and her only mobility is a minor speed boost after a long delay that's on a ferociously long cooldown.
You only need one person to catch her out and kill her. Any assassin with half a brain that knows how to engage when important abilities are down can clean her up easy. A burst mage who waits and watches for her to root herself for half a second can land a full combo on her and take her out. She's not helpless, but she has reasonable counterplay.
Xavanic1 votesThat is a slow projectile. Sidestepping all three is hilariously easy unless they're point-blank.
Lux's Light Binding
- 13-9s cooldown
- 2s root
- 70-250 + 70% AP damage
Morgana's Dark Binding
- 11s cooldown
- 2-3s root
- 80-300 +90% AP damage
Senna's Last Embrace
- 11s cooldown
- 1.45-2.25s root
- 70-250 +70% AD damage
It has the cooldown of Morgana's root, the damage of Lux's root, and a lower duration than either of them until max rank. It's the worst of both worlds, plus a delay on the root itself. It's objectively the least consistent of the three.
Her movement speed is the same as most champions, but her autoattack cast time is one of the longest in the game. She spends a long time standing still with each auto, so she can't be moving around and be a threat at the same time.
The reason why you can engage on her after her root ends is because if she runs away from you, she's dealing no damage to you. The root is barely more than a second at rank 1. Senna can only travel ~450 units in that time, and that's only if she doesn't follow up on her own root at all. Most dashes can cover that distance easily. So if you save your dash until the W is down, you can still close the gap. Or just don't get hit by it at all. It's a slow projectile.
Lux can follow up on her (longer) root with a slow to get even further away. Morgana can follow up on her (even longer) root with free damage while walking away unhindered with Black Shield. Senna has no other CC than Dark Passage, which has a delay, and her only mobility is a minor speed boost after a long delay that's on a ferociously long cooldown.
You only need one person to catch her out and kill her. Any assassin with half a brain that knows how to engage when important abilities are down can clean her up easy. A burst mage who waits and watches for her to root herself for half a second can land a full combo on her and take her out. She's not helpless, but she has reasonable counterplay.
your forgetting, she can throw it at a low health minion and root everyone around it
Xavanic1 votesHer root is one of the slowest projectiles in the game, has a lower duration and a longer cooldown than most other similar roots, and the root itself is on a delay after landing. It's subpar compared to the CC of other supports. Dodge it or cleanse it. Besides, she's slow. Anybody with mobility can still engage on her so long as they save their mobility until after the root is out, even if they tank it. If you engaged on a Lux or Morgana, they'd have a much easier time getting away from you than Senna.
She's vulnerable to burst damage from enemies who can get in her face and to skillshots that need to be dodged.
Hook supports or mage supports demolish her, since she can't effectively trade while avoiding skillshots. Hook her and delete her or dunk her with a combo if she stops to attack. She'll need to either choose between living or contributing. She can't do both. She can only heal so much, and the heal is on a long cooldown unless she's constantly attacking, which means she's basically standing still. If you wait for it to be down before you engage, she's made of wet paper.
2.25 seconds is a low duration for a root? however the communtiy bias makes me lmao, whenever an adc comes out, no one thinks they need a nerf, the moment anything else comes out, even if its weak as shit NERF PLZ OR I QUIT all over the boards
iiGazeii1 votesThat's what it is at max rank, and Senna maxes W second. It's a shorter duration than other roots on similar champions until Senna gets to level 12, which takes a while in the botlane.
boricCentaur12 votesIt's really sad I can just replace 
for 
and it makes more sense. Like a good amount of healers can poke like 
actually most do.
I can also replace for 
and it would make more sense if I change a few words like root to stun.
ŚtrongMental1 votesIt's really sad I can just replace
I can also replace
5head IQ
50CaliberHecate1 votesFrom what I've studied on her, her ult is extremely weak in damage, so she's not really gonna be able to use it execute a tank. She's also immobile, so champs like Leona, Nautilus, Pyke... Pretty much anyone with hard CC and big engage are just fine against her. As for ADC, Cait, Ezreal, and Varus would deem sufficient against her. I'd say Varus for the most part, as his CC in his ult would allow for good engage onto her if jungle or support go in. Ezreal and Cait just cause they can farm from safe distance and additionally poke her if she tries to engage.
UltimateShield131 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
Sukishoo1 votesI've played as and against her a few times now and think she's in a decent spot. Only thing that could use more work imo is her ult, it literally tickles from the damage aspect. If they wanted it to shield allies and damage enemies they could have balanced that out just a bit more