Auto attack speeds

Naut··2 votes·592 views

Is there any real reason to make auto attacks such a pain in the ass to deal with on some champions? Vlad, Fiddle, and Swain have notoriously bad auto attacks. I play Talon quite a bit, and his auto attack is slower than a golf cart on the interstate. Meanwhile we have champions like Azir, who has the best auto attack in the game, who doesn't even fucking USE his auto attack. Even Katarina got an improvement on her auto speed a while back.

Basically my question is this: is there any downside to normalizing auto attack speeds, or at least making the worst offenders easier to deal with?

The only problem I can think of is not super large, but as an ADC main, different ADCs feel different depending on the auto attack animation. For example, I hate Twitch's and Quinn's auto attacks with a passion because they're slow and therefore waste a lot of time during the animation. Contrasted to old Graves (AKA back when he was my favorite champion in the game. RIP old Graves) who had a godlike auto attack animation that was short and snappy. If all auto attacks were normalized, then there would be a significant lack of, for lack of a better word, unique feeling across ADCs.

Sorry if this was a little rambly, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at. Thank you for your time, The Grand Design

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Sugar Momma1 votes

Alright first off, Katarina got a buff to her attack speed so she could more easily get her Q's second proc off, especially in regard to csing. Azir has a snappy auto animation because he relies on his soldiers entirely to do dmg, so he would lose all lane pressure (which he has little in all honesty right now) to try and auto attack.

Different champions have different auto attack animations, but it all has a reason according to their kit. Vladimir and Swain have horrible auto attack animations (and low ranges) because both can be very oppressive in lane with the combination of their healing + targeted dmg. It would be very hard to win lane against either if they had standard auto attack animation. Because of their natural advantage in lane, it's harder to cs with them, and thus harder to get items and scale.

Talon has a poor auto animation mainly because his Q is an auto reset. He also has W + Tiamat/Hydra to insta-clear waves. A weaker laning phase is a necessary weakness for him overall because he naturally counters so many mid laners.

I'd recommend going into a custom game by yourself and practice csing on any champ using no abilities or runes/masteries. Do this for 20 minutes at the time and aim for 200 cs (difficult to get, but once you get you can cs with that champ well!). This helped me a lot learn to cs with Karma Lux auto attacks, who, while not as bad as the ones you listed, still have crappy auto animations.

Naut1 votes

Okay firstly, Azir not only has the best auto animation in the game, but he also has no projectile travel time, which makes his auto even better. ADCs would kill for that.

For Vlad and Swain, your argument states that the Vlad and Swain players SHOULD be struggling against the league system as much as the enemy team, which I think is complete hogwash. The objective of League of legends is to play against the enemy team, not the mechanics in the League interface itself. Not to mention there are plenty of lane-dominant champions, like LeBlanc who have stellar auto animations.

For Talon, although he does have an auto reset, he has to go through the whole auto animation to make the reset work, and the enhanced auto itself has a garbage animation. At the very least his enhanced auto should ahve a good animation, considering it costs cooldowns and mana.

Finally, I don't have a problem CSing. CSing has never been a problem for me. What is a problem is having to stand in one spot for twenty years to get one minion, in which time I can be harassed.

Sugar Momma1 votes

Harassing Vlad/Swain/Talon is appropriate counterplay against them in lane, though. Vlad/Swain due to their sustain and Talon because he's melee.

Naut2 votes

As you say, it is appropriate to harass Talon because he's melee, however it's not appropriate to get an extra auto in just because his auto animation is slow.

Not to mention it's fairly easy to harass Vlad and Swain simply because they have no mobility or way to prevent damage. Using my aforementioned example, LeBlanc could easily harass them regardless of whether they have shitty auto attacks or not.

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