Rather than just nerfing Quinn please do this instead

i cant move wtf··1 votes·1,026 views

Quinn is one of my favorite and most played champs and I've had this idea for while which usually gets a good reception from the community when I share it.

Put her ulti to her passive and her passive onto W:

Make it so when Quinn walks in a single direction without making any hard turns Valor swoops down and lifts her up increasing her movement speed. If Quinn makes a hard turn while in flight, Valor flies off and goes on cooldown.

This will make her speed buff require skill similar to maneuvering Sion ulti. The way it currently is she can make a hairpin turn at 700 ms and not lose anything for it. It's ridiculous to look at on top of requiring no skill. I'm not complaining because I still like to play this champion but if anything had to be changed about her I'd rather something like this than moving around the damage numbers.

For her ulti the sky's the limit. Riot can give her some kind of damage ability or some weird new interaction with Valor or something that gives her brief untargetability. I'd be open to any of those and I think they could all work.

But please don't just give her a boring damage reduction that makes her unviable for months until she gets another random damage buff down the road. I don't think that's what anyone wants.

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MorganFreemanBot4 votes

No, Quinn needs to be straight up nerfed.

Her burst is absolutely mind boggling. Her control (her E is a displace, which interrupts almost all movement effects in the game, + her freaking blind) is out of this world. Her map control is unparalleled. She only has to duck out of line of sight for a split second in order to escape, and by the time she's seen by wards it's already too late to survive her gank.

i cant move wtf1 votes

What is she supposed to do if she isn't able to kill a squishy target? What will be her role/niche if you take that away from her?

MorganFreemanBot1 votes

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What is she supposed to do if she isn't able to kill a squishy target? What will be her role/niche if you take that away from her?

The problem is she doesn't kill squishy targets.

She kills all targets. Period. Anyone who's not a full tank, and tbh even full tanks, melt before her. She hits everything far, far too hard.

She doesn't have the traditional adc weakness of macro play; her ulti means she can escape pinches without a sweat, and also reinforce her team at the drop of a hat. Diving also isn't a weakness; her E counters almost every gap-closer in the game, rendering the assassin / bruiser / skirmisher / what have you utterly dead within a couple of seconds, because it also tags them and sets them up for patently insane burst.

It's fine if Quinn's niche is killing squishy targets. The problem is that her current niche is killing everything like it's a squishy target, while hard-countering her supposed counters, and having some of the best map control + ganking in the entire game. She's got too much going on, and needs to be hit hard.

Shrîke2 votes

It's fine if Quinn's niche is killing squishy targets. The problem is that her current niche is killing everything like it's a squishy target

Gee its almost like the meta is made up of bruisers and squishy targets. I wonder why Quinn is so busted right now. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

i cant move wtf1 votes

She can't just kill full armor/tank champions unless she builds BC, LW and BoRK. And at that point she doesn't one-shot squishes and can be outdueled by any lategame adc that's completed their crit build.

I agree she could use some balancing changes but if you just hit her numbers then she will be useless and won't be played at all, hence the reason for this thread.

Right now her kit is so limited because she has a move speed buff as an ult, when she's a carry, and then of her other 3 skills only one of them is a damage ability. So it seems obvious that her single damage ability Q (along with her passive) are going to be either overpowered or weak to the point she's unviable.

Contrast that to if she had some kind of skillshot ulti that she needs to execute in order to confirm a kill unless massively ahead. Then you can tone down the damage without her becoming useless.

These are just my thoughts from a person that likes playing Quinn. I get that you're coming at it from not liking the champion or being frustrated playing against it but I think even you don't want Quinn players to have their champ thrown in the gutter because she doesn't do enough damage.

Iron V Skills1 votes

Untargetability on a champ you don't want to be nerfed in damage. So she can nuke you and then still live: That's quite a "NERF".

Also she wouldn't need to turn.Most of the time she roams she just needs the speed to get to bot or mid.Even if they did the sion turning change, it's a straight line to the lanes.And when quinns roam jg they mostly walk and wait for the jg to show up.

i cant move wtf1 votes

Think of all the times it's impossible to hit a skill shot on her when she's engaging with the speedup from her ult. On any decent Quinn player you just can't hit them because they can do a 180 point blank. It would also be much harder for her to take a safer route on roams to avoid being seen by wards since her trajectory would be more constrained.

Those two things would be a nerf. And if it wasn't enough then you could also implement the passive so that she doesn't get any move speed from it until 6 like she is now.

And I'm not saying the new ult has to be an untargetability spell, it was just an example of what could be put in place of the current ult.

LegitBusinessman1 votes

Lol Quinn doesn't turn she runs right at you cause she only needs one auto to pop you.

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