WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE PROTOTYPE: OMNISTONE KEYSTONE!?!?!

MrEnds·Nov 6, 2019·6 votes·6,732 views

This has to be THE WORST idea for a keystone rune I have EVER seen it is quite literally the most unreliable keystone to ever come out in this game. it is not reliable on ANY CHAMPION in the ENTIRE GAME! there is a reason why keystones were made so that champions who would use a certain keystone most effectively could use it in game to grant them a slight buff to the champion. but this keystone can literally be useless and unusable if one were to be unlucky based on its RNG based design. tell me in the comments what you guys think about this keystone and if you know any champions that could reliably use this keystone with it being the BEST keystone option for that champion. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

39 Comments

PyrosanNov 6, 20193 votes

not everything has to be designed for competitive playability bruh some people just play the game to have fun

MrEndsNov 6, 20194 votes

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not everything has to be designed for competitive playability bruh some people just play the game to have fun

but if its not useful then nobody will use it, riot removes items and runes for that exact reason

PyrosanNov 6, 20191 votes

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but if its not useful then nobody will use it, riot removes items and runes for that exact reason

nobody has to use it then lol

ZurlaNov 21, 20192 votes

I don't think you knwo how to have fun good sir. Pyrosan said that people want to use it because it's fun, not good. I've been using it like crazy in norms just because it's fun to see what weird and stupid runes i can get on Yi or Jhin. There's a reason sites like Ultimate Bravery exist. People find fun in complete horrid builds and runes. Being the underdog is fun. You need to learn to not sweat so mcuh in league good friend.

bornaslayerNov 27, 20191 votes

Well, yeah, but one, have fun doesn’t mean to put literal garbage in the game. Two. You remove things because their useless, now ur adding useless thing so they could be fun? Then why doing all that hard work deleting useless garbage in the pass when they represent “fun” like what you say? Three, the reason they are deleting garbage is to keep the game more competitive, which may not be what the company wants, but it’s certainly what they’re doing to their game, so obviously this game was design more for competitive rather then “fun”, but now their adding pointless things to what? According to you sir trying to make it “fun”, here then why not delete all the useful shit and just put all the garbage in to make it “MORE FUN”? And four they deleted Kelptomancy to add this garbage, you could’ve just add this rune without removing kleptomancy. That just a pure stupidity move right there. So yeah, I don’t see the point not panicking when the developer of my favorite game is slowly killing their own game just to satisfy the kind of “fun” you want, people play this game because it’s competitive, that’s what makes it fun, not so much of doing stupid shit. If that’s the type of “fun” your looking for , good luck having “fun” when this game loses all their players and no one’s on the damn server bro.

MiximumDennisNov 26, 20191 votes

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but if its not useful then nobody will use it, riot removes items and runes for that exact reason

But it's interesting rune for those that are not meta sheep's and for some people it's not easy to make pages for themselves or just don't want to bother. Just saying. Like getting Hunter for support so you can boot run to your adc faster. I don't know.

xDogMeatxNov 6, 20192 votes

darius

MrEndsNov 7, 20191 votes

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darius

tell me how having phase rush, comet, aeri, dark harvest, or pedator, etc...

DeathBurstNov 7, 20191 votes

Phase Rush is literally meta. Comet is super easy to proc, just Q once, don't even need to hit with the blade, and go to the next keystone. You can proc Aery with just one auto. Dark Harvest is not included. Predator is great, and is guaranteed not to be rolled if you don't have boots already.

Darius can chain 4 Keystone procs in 30 seconds with Omnistone, when you typically have 2 in the same window with a normal Keystone.

MrEndsNov 7, 20191 votes

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Phase Rush is literally meta. Comet is super easy to proc, just Q once, don't even need to hit with the blade, and go to the next keystone. You can proc Aery with just one auto. Dark Harvest is not included. Predator is great, and is guaranteed not to be rolled if you don't have boots already.

Darius can chain 4 Keystone procs in 30 seconds with Omnistone, when you typically have 2 in the same window with a normal Keystone.

what im saying is why not use the most effective keystone instead of using many keystones that vary in effectiveness and viability for the champion using it.

DeathBurstNov 7, 20191 votes

Because if you do manage to use all of them, you get more procs, hence more damage/healing than with a single Keystone.

The whole deal of this new Keystone is trading lower reliability for a lower CD.

MrEndsNov 7, 20191 votes

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Because if you do manage to use all of them, you get more procs, hence more damage/healing than with a single Keystone.

The whole deal of this new Keystone is trading lower reliability for a lower CD.

CD? bro conq doesnt have a cd, phase rush has a smaller CD, hail of blades has a smaller cd, etc idk how that makes sense...

DeathBurstNov 7, 20191 votes

CD on Omnistone is 8 s. Phase Rush is more than that. Hail of blades is indeed less, but it's out of combat.

MrEndsNov 7, 20191 votes

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CD on Omnistone is 8 s. Phase Rush is more than that. Hail of blades is indeed less, but it's out of combat.

omni stone is actually 40 seconds out of combat, and some of the runes arent even able to be proc'd because of the champ you are playing.

DeathBurstNov 7, 20192 votes

You get a new keystone after 40 seconds if you don't manage to proc it. And it's not 40 s out of combat, it's just 40 s without procing your keystone.

But if you DO manage to proc it, you get the next one after only 8 seconds.

No offense mate, but the more we discuss, the more it's obvious you have no idea how the rune works. Maybe you should wait a little before criticizing it.

MrEndsNov 7, 20191 votes

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You get a new keystone after 40 seconds if you don't manage to proc it. And it's not 40 s out of combat, it's just 40 s without procing your keystone.

But if you DO manage to proc it, you get the next one after only 8 seconds.

No offense mate, but the more we discuss, the more it's obvious you have no idea how the rune works. Maybe you should wait a little before criticizing it.

bro im sorry but 40 seconds is longer than any other keystone cooldown in the game and for example what if you get aftershock on a champion like garen, or you get preditor on a champion like yuumi, or you get phase rush on a champion like yuumi, its completely nonsensical.

DeathBurstNov 8, 20191 votes

Well, maybe you shouldn't take Omnistone on Garen or Yuumi, then.

Still, 40 seconds is not the CD of the keystone. It's not the time you have to wait after a proc before having another proc. THAT is 8 seconds, and that is shorter than any other Keystone with a CD at all.

MrEndsNov 8, 20191 votes

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Well, maybe you shouldn't take Omnistone on Garen or Yuumi, then.

Still, 40 seconds is not the CD of the keystone. It's not the time you have to wait after a proc before having another proc. THAT is 8 seconds, and that is shorter than any other Keystone with a CD at all.

you have to risk trading an uneven amount of damage so u can JUST proc the damn rune you get a CHANCE at a rune that will be usefull for the next trade, also that is definitely NOT the shortest CD out of any rune... for example Hail of Blades, PTA, Conq, Grasp, Lethal Tempo, and a couple more

DeathBurstNov 8, 20191 votes

you have to risk trading an uneven amount of damage so u can JUST proc the damn rune you get a CHANCE at a rune that will be usefull for the next trade

If you lose the trade while having a Keystone proc available, there's a problem somewhere else. And if there's a lot of Keystones you really can't benefit from, then once again, you should simply not take Omnistone. This isn't intended to be usable by everyone, and neither should it be. But some champs can use it effectively.

that is definitely NOT the shortest CD out of any rune... for example Hail of Blades, PTA, Conq, Grasp, Lethal Tempo, and a couple more

Yeah OK, my bad, I was too categoric. Still, Omnistone means you can potentially start a trade with PTA and then got a proc of Electrocute at the end of the same trade. 8 s is not literally "the" shortest, but it's still damn short compared to a lot of other CDs that you CAN get through it.

MrEndsNov 8, 20191 votes

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If you lose the trade while having a Keystone proc available, there's a problem somewhere else. And if there's a lot of Keystones you really can't benefit from, then once again, you should simply not take Omnistone. This isn't intended to be usable by everyone, and neither should it be. But some champs can use it effectively.

Yeah OK, my bad, I was too categoric. Still, Omnistone means you can potentially start a trade with PTA and then got a proc of Electrocute at the end of the same trade. 8 s is not literally "the" shortest, but it's still damn short compared to a lot of other CDs that you CAN get through it.

i dont want to continue this arguement so im going to stop after this post but im just saying no champion can use all runes reliably and effectively so thats why this rune is complete garbage.

DeathBurstNov 8, 20192 votes

A number of champs can use 80% of the Keystones effectively, and that's why the Omnistone has its niche.

Have a nice day o/

HKT SaberNov 13, 20191 votes

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i dont want to continue this arguement so im going to stop after this post but im just saying no champion can use all runes reliably and effectively so thats why this rune is complete garbage.

Quinn PTA, Lethal Tempo, Fleet Footwork, Aery, Comet, Phase Rush, Grasp, Aftershock, Electrocute, Predator, Dark Harvest, Spellbook and Glacial Augment are all strong on her Guardian, Spellbook, Dark Harvest and Conqueror Seem to be unavailable on the keystone, hence she can utilise all of them effectively in the right situation

bornaslayerNov 27, 20191 votes

@DeathBurst Ya know bro you seem like a damn pro, so I got a question for up you, how come I’ve seen no players playing Darius bringing this this rune in my Master account? Shouldn’t this rune be PERFECT for Darius? Or it’s more like ur just talking nonsense and I don’t have to take ur word seriously? I’m going GeForce the second one.

DeathBurstNov 27, 20191 votes

Never said it was perfect. Didn't even say it was optimal. Just that it was viable, and I stand by it.

Also, hindsight 20-20, etc., so good job for replying to a 3-week-old post with future knowledge. But just so you know, Meddler has said the rune was probably under-tuned and that its best users were Kennen, Kayle, Illaoi and TF. So, bottom line, OP's claim that this Rune was stupid because no-one would use it is garbage, as expected.

Shabada64Dec 9, 20191 votes

You can't even get Aftershock on Garen, he has no basic ability hard CC...

Like the other guys said, read what the keystone does so we an have an actual discussion.

SubdueNov 7, 20192 votes

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You get a new keystone after 40 seconds if you don't manage to proc it. And it's not 40 s out of combat, it's just 40 s without procing your keystone.

But if you DO manage to proc it, you get the next one after only 8 seconds.

No offense mate, but the more we discuss, the more it's obvious you have no idea how the rune works. Maybe you should wait a little before criticizing it.

Could you please elaborate. What exactly does this rune do? Where do you see any information about it?

DeathBurstNov 8, 20191 votes

Got the info on Surrender@20, as usual with stuff that's still on the PBE. I'll put a link at the end with the detailed info, but the general idea is this:

You get a random keystone from a curated list to make sure you don't get impossible-to-proc keystones. (No Predator without boots, no Dark Harvest without stacks, etc.)
If you can proc it, you very quickly get a different keystone and can get another proc again with the new one.
If you cannot proc it at all, after some time, you also get a different keystone, and try again with the new one.

So, if you CAN proc a lot of different Keystones, you can take this Keystone and get a LOT of procs, one every ~10 seconds or so. If you get stuck with a Keystone you really cannot proc at all, you get a free pass after 40 seconds; which is a long time, but if this happens a lot, it's a sign you shouldn't go for the Omnistone at all, just stick with something you can reliably use.

As promised, all the infos are here: http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html#balance + Ctrl+F "Omni"

ChaosReynNov 21, 20191 votes

You can still get dark harvest. It's actually more rare though. And randomly getting predator while you were planning to roam is god tier.

Honestly, I think the weakest keystone of all of the rotations is found in Aery...and it's the easiest to proc, so it make sense that it doesn't do too much for you.

DeathBurstNov 21, 20191 votes

Yeah, they did it the other way around, actually. You can have Dark Harvest, and the stacks increase ALL the Keystone. That's a bit weird, but I like it :)

xDogMeatxNov 7, 20191 votes

your telling me you havent heard of phase rush darius i spam it on him and play like a boss to 5 stacks.

aery/comet are meh.

predator is jungle darius.

dark harvest isnt darius's style but IF (which its not) its included im pretty sure he can half shot someone using his full damage output.

after shock his E

grasp from bleed prep

conqueror its casual on him

fleet yes.

glacial... why not its useless though hes got his W.

guardian is teamfight.

hail of blades is cheese.

idk if that is all but yes there you go.

TegashNov 12, 20192 votes

It was clearly designed for Olaf, who can build anything and still lose. [sg-ahri-2]

iiGazeiiNov 6, 20191 votes

Pantheon.

Tyliear DeprawNov 6, 20191 votes

pyke ekko darius panth all will use it well

CezakoNov 6, 20191 votes

First, i thought it was a riot troll before reveal another secret new rune. Now i don t know so, i saw a LB who used it as well : auto atk based runes give her strong early trade and then she didn t need electrocute to destroy everyone with snowball ...

SubdueNov 7, 20191 votes

What does the omnistone keystone do?

NukaaNov 8, 20191 votes

https://ibb.co/9YW0pk3

GlobbyLikesSlimeNov 9, 20191 votes

mad cuz bad

MrEndsNov 12, 20192 votes

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mad cuz bad

I'm not saying this because I did poorly with it im saying this because of multiple peoples experiences with it and it being completely unreliable in every way for them and they have to use the inspiration tree which is not usually what people need.