Syndra Interaction With Fizz

Millenium·10/20/2014, 9:33:41 PM·30 votes·6,731 views

For the few of us who play Syndra, we all know the feeling of ulting a fizz with his Playful/Trickster off of cooldown. This pertains to that scenario. For those of you who don't know, when syndra ults a target, it checks whether or not that target is dead before the impact of the actual ultimate. This is to prevent her from wasting her ultimate on a dead target. This mechanic did not only function on dead targets. If a player were to use zhonyas hourglass before getting hit by the first ball of her ultimate, she would get the cooldown back. (For a time there was a glitch where a point blank yasuo wind-wall would persistently block and refresh her ultimate, repeatedly placing balls on the ground-fixed.

Now down to serious business, when a syndra uses her ultimate on a fizz who then goes into his playful/trickster four things happen. 1: Fizz takes no damage - this is obvious, a basic mechanic 2: Syndra's ultimate goes on cooldown - This will happen even if no balls hit 3: All incoming balls stop moving - This is a problem, Fizz's invulnerability should prevent the balls hitting him from doing damage for those .75 seconds A perfect 7-ball ultimate takes a lot longer than .75 seconds to finish and would hit him afterwards. A teather charge would continue, why not this? 4: All balls that "hit" Fizz disappear - This in combination with #3 break a whole second mechanic of syndra's ultimate. After ulting someone all dark spheres remain for 6 seconds. This mechanic works for dead champs and all other invulnerable champs except fizz. This is also something that's wrong with yasuo walls, it disintegrates the balls after they are no longer being used as offensive abilities where orianna's ball just sits there instead of being reset back to her.

Number 4 is something that has to be changed because there can be possible explanations for the first three. In the end it will waste every ball you have out and will ruin you completely for any teamfight or counterplay on Fizz.

48 Comments

I GONNA FK ON U10/20/2014, 10:09:51 PM9 votes

The "few" of you who play Syndra? She's an extremely common pick due to how easy yet rewarding she is to play.

Mohrb10/21/2014, 7:40:52 AM6 votes

Yet another example of Fizz being a toxic champion. The amount of time he spends untargetable is ridiculous... combined with an absolutely atrocious amount of damage and best mobility in the game. It's not OK.

Yet Poppy too OP to make playable.

Gavran10/21/2014, 4:45:11 AM6 votes

Fizz vs Syndra is a good skill matchup. A good Syndra will destroy him so hard pre-6. A great Fizz will dodge ultimates. A great Syndra will knockback his Q so he can't engage without landing his ult. A good Fizz will land his ult. A good Syndra will only ult him when he's stunned or after he blows Playful / Trickster to dodge the stun.

I play Fizz and Syndra and wish there were more matchups with that much depth in this game.

I'm not saying you're bad, but honestly, get better. It's the purest skill match up I can think of in the game.

(Coincidentally, if both players are merely "okay", Syndra has the upper hand.)

BOOYASACKA10/21/2014, 12:56:45 AM5 votes

Fizz seems opFizz

Star Warden10/21/2014, 7:04:08 AM4 votes

Invulnerability breaks contact with target spells, which is why the balls stop.

Some Bacon10/21/2014, 1:57:46 AM4 votes

Fizz is not OP...

Just continue crying, not like we care.

If fizz was OP, riot would've done something already. I'm pretty sure a group of mature adults who have been playing this for around five years know more than you...

And here I was thinking it was something about Atlantans fizz and Atlantans syndra.

ThaPizzaMan10/21/2014, 3:36:36 AM3 votes

Syndra counters fizz early game sooo

Arizel10/20/2014, 11:38:04 PM3 votes

I have no Sympathy for "Fizz Mains" But I have EVEN less for Syndra mains. The amount of damage you are able to do with a select and click ultimate is purely disgusting. At least Fizz's ultimate is actually a skill shot

#GutTheFish

Jamnon10/20/2014, 11:39:07 PM3 votes

Sounds like a bug. I love syndra. lets fix this.

48983507DEL110/21/2014, 4:22:08 AM3 votes

Saying someone counters Fizz early game is not really a counter at all, since he will always come back since he has super high scaling damage plus % of health damage (which is absolute bullshit on an assassin who is only supposed to assassinate squishies). Its similar to Akali or Yasuo; they can be 0/5 and still comeback with extreme power if they get a single kill, except Fizz doesn't even need that kill. This is in no way similar to saying Caitlyn counters Vayne early game or saying Renekton counters Riven early game because they can completely shut down the people they counter and give them no hope of ever coming back unless they are just fed free kills from their already fed teamates. Fizz still has reliale damage and utility no matter how far behind he is and is almost garunteed a kill by roaming either top or bot since he does good damage to both squishies and tanks. He isn't like Zed, who needs a high amount of skill to pull off outplays by shadow dodging, using an ultimate untargetable ability, and dueling tanks with the skills listed above to get kills and begin to snowball, where Fizz can simply point and click his basic abilities and dodge abilities every 6 seconds (with decent cdr) even when he misses his ult. Fizz is such bullshit and needs some kind of nerf. Personally I hate Akali more, since she takes even less skill to use, but Fizz is high on my shit list.

Hayaishi10/21/2014, 3:17:23 AM2 votes

This happens with Vi ult as well.

Either let Fizz get hit by it (which he should because it's BS he can negate everything with that ability) or make the abilities go on a 5 sec cooldown.

Ch0c0lateJesus10/21/2014, 2:18:14 PM2 votes

Maybe you shouldnt try a targeted ult on Fizz when he has his E available?

I mean, its not like Syndra's ult is particularly hard to use, or has a long cooldown. I done see why it should behave differently to other targeted nukes. If you misuse your ult on someone that can negate it like Fizz , or someone with item 3157 , it should go on cooldown imo.

Cyrrus10/20/2014, 11:02:36 PM1 votes

I noticed this! Completely wrecked the stun afterwards also :c

PatMcGroyn10/21/2014, 2:19:41 PM1 votes

I play Syndra, too, and it is frustrating to have an ult negated by untargetable/ invulnerable states. That said, it forces you to play smarter with your ult. You have to consider what abilities can dodge your ult, and work around them. Standing back and being objective, I think it's balanced because of how innately powerful Syndra's ult is for a point and click spell, as well as how powerful the rest of her kit is. Her ult could be something completely different, and she would still be very powerful on the virtue of the rest of her kit. In fact, right now her most attractive ability is her long range stun & pick potential with Q+E.

Javvek10/22/2014, 4:08:24 AM1 votes

I will admit, yasuo's wall could use more consistancy with things in regards to projectiles. It deletes syndra's balls but not azir's minions? Why? Doesn't it delete other things like olaf's axe? Etc. I think this shoul ddefinately get looked at. As for the rest, too late to write up something full. I just thought i'd pick on that little nitpick of mine xP