Dragon Strike vs. Duskbringer

PerishSoftly·2/8/2015, 7:09:09 PM·5 votes·1,166 views

Jarvan: TANK, Fighter

Dragon Strike: Cost: 45/50/55/60/65 Range: 770 Cooldown: 10/9/8/7/6 Damage: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+ 120% bonus AD) Armor Shred: 10 / 14 / 18 / 22 / 26% Knockup when combined with Demacian Standard

Nocturne: ASSASSIN, Fighter Duskbringer: Cost: 60/65/70/75/80 Range: 1200 Cooldown: 10/10/10/10/10 Damage: 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 (+ 75% bonus AD) Bonus AD: 15 / 25 / 35 / 45 / 55 Bonus MS: 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35%

Pretty sure that Jarvan's Dragon Strike out-damages Nocturne's Duskbringer at all stages of the game (Flat AND Scaling), is easier to harass with, costs less, and provides him a much more effective steroid in terms of fighting. Why does a tank have a skill that outclasses an assassin in terms of damage, utility, AND assassination potential?

20 Comments

Durzaka2/8/2015, 7:27:34 PM13 votes

First, Nocturne isnt in a good place.

Second, are you seriously going to pretend the bonus AD and MS have NO value on Duksbringer when comparing it to Dragon Strike?

JustMyBassCannon2/8/2015, 7:25:00 PM8 votes

Because Nocturne had a bunch of misplaced nerfs when he first came out, and Riot hasn't buffed him in a long time. Jarvan was never really a huge point of contention for balance until recently, so he's probably going to take nerfs in the near future (because people can't ~~fucking~~ shut up about him).

Sailor Mint2/8/2015, 7:27:24 PM7 votes

Jarvan is an AD Caster. Most of Nocturne's damage comes from auto-attacks.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Schoolgirl Urgot2/8/2015, 7:43:20 PM5 votes

Jarvan and nocturne can both be played as assassins.

Nocturne is a better assassin than jarvan is, jarvan is a better bruiser/tank than nocturne.

that however doesn't change the fact that j4 is broken freelo

MrSexyHobo2/9/2015, 12:16:07 AM1 votes

nocturn is a killer dualist because his entire kit is built for a dual and synergizes with itself really well. jarvan is a pretty good dualist but is mostly built for burst. nocturn also has a really really really really powerful ult that gives him amazing map presence and free kills at lvl 6. if nocturn had better scaling he would be really broken

i would also like to point out that nocturn is made to clean fights up and jarvans kit is ment for starting fights so j4 has to build tanky while nocturn can go 1 or 2 defensive items and get away with it

Poptart Evelynn2/9/2015, 12:21:53 AM1 votes

Then you auto attack multiple times with plus 55 ad while if jarvan misses he does 0 damage.

Can't tell if serious or troll on this comparison. Nocturne has some of the strongest abilities in the game for a fighter/assassin that heavily out damage Jarvan. Noc is still used in LCS but his style of kit doesn't fit against most meta strategies atm.

Jarvan is picked for his knock up and lock down not his damage in LCS. The problem with Jarv isn't his damage but more on the fact how low his cooldowns and mana cost are imo.

Lordk0z2/12/2015, 1:46:45 AM1 votes

Why wouldn't a Tank outclass an Assassin in initiation, utility, and manfighting?

Why does an assassin have a initation ability like increased movespeed?