Frost Queen's Claim Changes

ViciousSummoner··1 votes·687 views

Didn't look at the recent patch notes only skimmed through and only found out today about Frost Queen changes. Frost Queen changes bad. item 3098 + item 1026 = bad build path item 1026 not as gold efficient as item 3108 item 3301 > item 3303 Coin is now almost uncontested for item 3504 item 3301 should either have Gold Coin drop rate lowered, Gold Coin gives less gold, or have a harder build path:

  • item 3096 = item 3301 + 500g
  • item 3069 = item 3096 + item 1029 + item 1029 + item 1006 + 600g item 3092 should either be reverted, give more AP, have ghosts deal damage, or change item 1026 to item 3024 reverting item 3098 's 10% CDR

Main reason I'm being so harsh on item 3301 is because even if you're behind you're technically never behind because all you do is sit beside waves and get free gold. Where as with item 3303 if you're behind you're behind for by a whole lot and there's nothing you can do about it. item 3301 rewards you too much for doing nothing. item 3303 used to reward you for playing aggressive and being ahead, but with the changes to item 3301 if your opponent takes it you just end up losing whatever gold advantage you had over them.

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SwiftKitten883 votes

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Frost Queen changes bad.

sorry i had to... that literally is an ENTIRE sentence you just wrote.

i can't type to save my life. sometimes i even manage to write the 2nd word i am trying to say twice instead of the writing the one before it"

but this is hilarious

AmetDeCrypt2 votes

so coin is buffed right now, doesn't mean frost isn't good in its own rights.

ViciousSummoner1 votes

To simply be put, Riot's making it much harder to have a diverse pool of supports. With changes like so done to Frost Queen's Claim the Coin + Censor support meta has become even more solid. What Riot should have done was just nerf Coin instead of changing Frost.

When you first look at it you might think, "Frost now has more AP when you build and you get CDR faster." Instead if you actually look at how you build and the situations in which you might be in you will see how bad it actually is. If you fall behind and are attempting to build a Frost Queen you will now struggle to build it because Blasting wand has no building blocks meaning you have to save up 850g. What this means is you're always -800g until you buy your blasting wand. Compared to Codex you can spend 435g for Tome and then save the last 400g to finish up meaning you're only down 400g at most. This also applies if you're ahead and you're just short a few hundred gold.

AmetDeCrypt2 votes

well maybe that's just me, I've never had troubles against coin picks.

ViciousSummoner1 votes

Okay I'll make it easier so you can understand. -800g = bad. Coin = Helmet Build Support. RITO CHANGE FROST QUEEN = BAD = COIN BUILD TOO STRONK = ALL SUPPORT THAT IS NOT COIN BUILD = SHIT TIER

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

right. so you prefer to be an asshole about things rather than talking it out because fuck treating other people as intelligent.

got it.

ViciousSummoner1 votes

To literally think Coin is not overpowered is simply ignorance. Coin heavily outclasses the latter of support items. IF you do not believe this is so then you are simply being ignorant or are unable to understand. As I've ready explained the changes to Frost Queen have only made this situation worse. Frost Queen is now a harder item to complete thus reducing it's overall gold efficiency. Coin remains untouched meaning it's gold efficiency is still the same which is too damned good. Coin rewards you for nothing all game whereas the other two support items you have to actively use them in order to get any usage/efficiency out of them.

I should not have to repeat what I've already said/and or stated. Thus is why I had to dumb it down because it seems as though you do not understand.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

au contraire. I understand completely. and if you recall it used to be like that. coin got health and gold just for existing in lane. then they changed it so there are coins to pick up. and it's not terribly difficult to zone them out of these coins because the supports that take it generally are lower ranged or with less poke (rakan, soraka, janna) and part of your job should be to punish them for going up to pick the coins just as it is to punish the carry for going up to farm. frost queen's may be a bit more awkward to build but now the regular level 2 upgrade is much more gold efficient and a bigger boost to power early game. remember when it gave 5 gold for every single minion that died? and now it's a chance to get some coin or some mana? where were you crying back then when it was clearly a far better pick than it is now and had far less counterplay and the other support items weren't given the buffs with quests that it was skipped over with it's laughably bad reward as well as adding heaps of counterplay to the item?

ViciousSummoner1 votes

Every 30s No recharge time RNG(Luck) based Old Coin +4/+6g Current Coin +25/+40g Old Gold potential per wave 24/28/36/42g Current Gold potential per wave 150/175/240/280g

Recharge every 30s gained by damaging enemies Spellthief potential gold 8/16/24g Frostfang/Frost Queen potential gold 15/30/45g

Recharge every 40s gained by killing minions Relic potential minion 18 x 2/ 18 + 45/ 21 x 2/ 21 + 45/ 18 + 21 Targon potential minion 18 x 3/ 18 x 2 + 21/ 21 x 3/ 21 x 2 + 18/ 21 + 18 +45/ 21 x 2 + 45/ 18 x 2 + 45 Face potential minion 18 x 4/ 21 x 4/ 21 x 3 + 18/ 18 x 3 + 21/ 21 x 2 + 18 x 2/ 18 x 3 + 45/ 21 x 3 +45

Relic potential gold 36/39/42/66/69g Targon potential gold 54/57/60/63/81/84/87g Face potential gold 72/75/78/81/84/99/108g

Seriously please, please again tell me how the old coin was super fucking broken. Please do tell me again when fucking coin gives 25g off 1 minion alone when the old coin took 1 full fucking wave to do it. Please it's not fucking broken being able to instantly restore your mana at no cost. Please it is so balanced and skillful that Janna can infinitely shield her ADC from damage and make your trades worthless.

Please show me how to play the amazing aggressive support for a full fucking 30 minutes where you can deny the enemy support from playing the game and the enemy team ignores you. Please show me how you can literally sit beside the enemy support for 30 minutes and not get swarmed.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

it's called wards. and since when did the coin start giving out 40 instead of 10 gold exactly

ViciousSummoner1 votes

Wards somehow = denying the enemy support from playing the game??? Coin gives 10 g???? Really??? Coin gives 25g upgrading to 40g once you buy Nomad's.

You wonder why I had to be rude to you. I had to rude because of your next level bronze thought processing. I did not want to be rude at first, but you keep talking like you know what you're talking about. Except every time you say something it just proves how little you actually know.

You want to be treated as intelligent yet you don't even fucking know what the items do! You don't even understand gold efficiency. You don't understand how build pathing works towards an item's overall efficiency. Yet you want to sit here and say, "Oh, I'm super smart and know what I'm talking about because the people I play against are just as brain dead as me." "I am far more knowledgable and correct than you because I believe I am."

chipndip11 votes

WHAT rights?

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

very good uptime on speed boosts for engages and kiting enemies and seeking slowing wards as well as a bundle of nice stats and a non useless quest like the coin has.

chipndip11 votes

I mean you're wrong but it'd be a pain to have to explain it.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

oh so. coin's 1 extra level point (sans level stats) at level 12 IS useful. frost queen DOESN'T have seeking slowing wards. frost queen's stat's DON'T outclass coin's for casters that use any amount of ap. it DOESN'T have a super useful speed boost for kiting and peeling with nice uptime.

my bad.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

chipndip11 votes
  1. Coin doesn't give a skill point anymore and hasn't for a long time.

  2. No one cares about FQC's stupid ghosts. Most people build Watcher's because the champs that would gravitate to the item have better shit to build.

  3. People take coin because it allows them to build into shit that actually matters faster. You're never hitting full build on a support in a timely fashion, anyway. Why worry about the stats on your vision item when you can worry about completing a completely new item with a new active/passive you need? Yeah, in a 60 minute game the coin line is inferior stats-wise, but who cares since you're rarely going to be in an instance where this even matters?

  4. If you were right, Zyra/Brand would be worth putting in the bot lane. Or rather...Zyra would and Brand wouldn't take coin half the time I see him.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

dunno when you've been seeing them, and if it doesn't give that what does it give now as a quest reward

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