Y'all are complaining about, as surr@20 reminds us again and again, "tentative content subject to change". With a huge batch like preseason, there's gonna be a ton of things that will be nerfed, buffed or won't go through at all.
Penns19 votesWell if no one says anything, nothing will change unless Riot like looks at win rates or other stats.
Ralanr6 votesYeah, but these boards aren't really known for being taken seriously IMO.
Penns9 votesIdk, I think when something is really new and on the pbe, Rito probably looks at feedback threads on the boards.
Desolas Arterius5 votesWell they do like looking at the main thread they create for the PBE feedback on what's going through. Example the individual assassin threads for their updates.
But I'm sure they dismiss a lot of new threads since most of them are "OMG SO BROKEN GG" or "THIS THING SUCKS BECAUSE I SAY SO".
Also I would assume it helps if the person responding to the main thread writes a cohesive argument/shows proof as to why something works and doesn't work, or if that person is slightly well known on the boards for being trust worthy/reputable.
But I think that can be said for anything in life really.
President Swa1n1 votesNot sure why you got downvoted twice for that without explanation...
Desolas Arterius2 votesI'm not sure either haha. Maybe I finally acquired angry stalkers? lol
Ah well. Downvotes don't really bother me /shrugs
GULAG 4 U3 votesPBE boards, not these ones.
imVash7 votesYup. Don't worry tho I'm sure Malicious Metal has more threads about nearly the same topics to cluster up the front page.
Shadow Hazard6 votesIf nothing is said bad things can slip through into live.
Salron6 votesComplaining = Feedback = letting Riot know what they think of the changes Yeah, they could give proper constructive criticism instead of coming off as whining babies, but what matters is that they're saying something at all. Would you prefer if they stayed silent and waited until everything went to live to complain?
zrWQMdGHtY4 votesI still got some small hopes for the Kata rework to never happen...
Shadòw14 votesthat rework looks damn cool tho.
i actually consider playing her when it's out
zrWQMdGHtY4 votesYeah... that's my problem. Ppl like you who never actually considered to play her wont let ppl like me who main her to finally play her again... Plus the rework looks lame...
Shadòw12 votesi never considered playing her because she was a brainless champ.
Laning with her was boring and laning against her was boring.
With the rework she will actually need mechanical skill and a kit that has so much depth.
zrWQMdGHtY6 votesHer lane phase will be worse now, way worse and farming will be harder because you'll have to stay in closer range, because your Q has half thebounces and you need to pick up an item from the ground to do your AOE farm spell which has 15 sec CD on W and 10 on Q... Speaking much about lane phase now?
Her kit is brilliant as it is, if you find her boring to lane as then you got no idea how to play her, if you feel bored of laning against, it means she's outplaying you by passive play.
Her mechanics actually die, you need less speed now to cast your stuff (personal speed which is still skill), and need more items to just instant burst enemies. Since when is instant bursting in 1 spell better than actually thinking planning engaging and poking?
I play sololy Katarina only form 8 years and I haven't gotten bored, guess you're doing something wrong.
Shadòw10 votesI just don't like champs that have to play passive in lane, and that's why it's boring. Her new kit will be far more interactive to play with or against.
Her mechanics actually die
So having 2 daggers to actually use during a fight and be able to use your E 3 times in a row with good setup WITHOUT her passive is not mechanical skill, but facerolling is?
You still need speed and fast reaction times.. you have to consider to where you're going to E in millisecond even more than before.
Her old combo was like q e w with almost no variation. Now she is way more interactive.
zrWQMdGHtY4 votesagainst yes, because you get free kill as syndra... with no, because you give free kills to annie... Q 11 seconds, falls near an enemy and the time it needs to fall , the enemy is gone and you lose a chunk of damage. W 15 seconds, on a low range location (where you are currently ) with a small MS buff for a short period, which causes you to Lose damage yet again. Her "E" use alone is nothing, but people keep thinking that shunpoing in 50 distance over a dagger, with a 40 dmage spell is game chaning...
Her passive still exists, if I kill you I still get full reset on all spells and do the whole combo on your face, so please...
You don't need fast reactions, you're bound to slow down from a game mechanics here, not your own. I can do my combo atm in 0.4 seconds, after that I'll be forced to do it in 1.2 seconds minimum, which wont be my fault.
Her old combo is Q and correct timed E and W, so you can land full damage together with ult, otherwise you might miss the Q mark damage or cancel your ult with W... It's all timing and you actually need to have faster reflexes and thinking because you got LESS Period to think over of what you will do the moment your enemy dies... while now you got longer time to think, because the spells work slower than before and they force you to waste more time on thinking.
Do you actually wanna argue with an 8 years of Kata main, with your nearly no experience as her? Honestly?
P.S hating champions to play passive vs you in lane, means that you should stop laying Yasuo, Annie, Syndra and other bullies like them...
Shadòw9 voteswhen you get up good setup and are able to zone, your daggers are deadly af.
the thing is, her combo need setup now.
the actual combo is still fast af and even more rewarding, but you need to setup your play with your w and q.
zrWQMdGHtY3 votesIts' slower, you don't need to setup anything, you need your enemy to be AFK or stunned, or plain stupid... Old combo is 0.4 on crappy gear, new combo is forced 1.2 sec minium, because of the waiting of the animations. Her shunpo and Q alone are 0 damage, her sinister steel is the majority, which both on W and Q need ~1 second to fall and the 0.2 is the shunpo animation...
Glory ln Death8 votesI'm sorry that your champion is now a healthy addition to the game that people will no longer rage against for having 0 counterplay.
I'm sorry that the face-rolling Kat meme will die now.
I'm sorry that you no longer get to abuse an instant-burst pentakill machine.
zrWQMdGHtY4 votesThere's over 120 counterplays called champions with CC Ingame already.
There's a spell called flash which is a counter play already.
If she's a face-rolling champ then why I need to think faster than any of you to be able to perfectly land my spells so I can land full time combo till kill people, while most chars just need to click basic attack key. And why is my Q W E R and perfect condition on a 10 year old keyboard.
And if she is an instant burst pentakill machine then why she cannot delete a full build ADC with Maw as fast as he can delete her from full build. (Aka 2 basic attacks) ?
So basically you never learned how to counter her, together will all your downvoting friends and then suddenly is both hers and my fault ? Well cheers, to that. Guess the game is really not skill based anymore, but who can play the most OP champ...
Glory ln Death5 votesAs I mentioned, this rework makes Kat actually a healthy champion in the game. Right now she suffers from Master Yi Syndrome - crazy op in lower tiers, all but unseen in higher tiers.
Right now her mastery is limited to - "Is there an opportunity to jump in here? Can I activate my 1 combo quickly enough? And do I do enough damage to delete the enemy before they can respond?"
The rework actually gives her other options - she can actually create opportunities to jump in and can play mind games with her daggers. As well, the enemy actually has time to respond and is not limited to "Do we have hard cc? Yes - save it for Kat and hope she doesn't have enough damage to delete us before we can use it. No - well, crap."
She is now much healthier for the game overall.
zrWQMdGHtY2 votesYou sir are literally know 0 of Katarina, her play and what will happen. I wish to cut my contact with you. If you would so kindly never reply to me again, I would appreciate it. I am tired of people who speak none-sense and offend my experience of 8 years mastering on my champion.
Have a nice evening.
Glory ln Death4 votesWow, dude. No need to go all passive aggressive just because I have a different opinion than you.
I still stand by my opinion that she will be much healthier both to play and to play against - the fact of the matter is, no matter how much fun you had playing as Kat, no one had fun playing against her, even if they stomped her.
Leo10242 votesShe'll die out just chill, when Kled and Sol can out they were in every game for the next two weeks after their release, same thing with the ryze and yorick rework, after a bit they'll become less popular tho
zrWQMdGHtY2 votes4 months... minimum... "chill out"... You enjoy waiting that long? I still remember last time, I had to main twitch for nearly a year because I couldn't pick her because of the perma bans...
Leo10241 votesGo to blind draft then, besides it'll only be a week or so no one said it'd be 4 months, and I wanna play my favorite champs too but they're terrible like Azir ryze and taliyah, feelsbasman
Fairyfleur1 votesTaliyah isn't bad.
Leo10241 votesShe was completely AWFUL before the buffs, yeah she's a bit better now but half the time when I try to land my W it often pushes them away or somewhere I don't want them to, they messed with it and it's hard to control now
Fairyfleur1 votesNot being able to use her w isn't a game problem, really.
Leo10241 votesYes it is since her E W combo is her main source of damage
Fairyfleur1 votesIts actually w e now, and imo it isn't that hard to land.
Leo10241 votesIt definitely isn't if you get good at her but sometimes it doesn't follow the mouse pushing them away instead if through your E
Eedat5 votesIn my experience "mains" are the absolute worst to ask about reworks. Literally ANY change from their current state will be negative according to mains. I mean mains even bitched about God-tier reworks like 
. Sure there have been some horrendous ones where mains had the right to be angry (
), but it still doesn't change the fact that even if the rework is amazing, mains will still bitch 100% of the time without fail
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesDo you realize that actual mains don't want changes, because they don't want to feel pathethic playing an over-powered/broken champion which is 99% of the cases... I was actually happy as hell at her first rework when she finally lost that useless W and got sinister steel... But the rest of it, is just stupid... Her Q buff was stupid, her passive nerf was even worse and this atm is horrible... Neither she needs 5 Qs to do the same dmg with each bounce, nor she had to get that 3 seconds period thing added... And now this all of it, just going to sent her in the same spot in few months, just with a new kit... like what's wrong with letting us keep the current kit instead of forcing me to practice a new one when she'll be in the same state as she is... especially with this... Her Q and E had huge CDs already... now they get biggerer CDs... and W get like x4 bigger CD and ppl think that this Q and W blade drop is like casting her old W and done... without thinking like a KAta main to realize that it's not as simple as that... you folks just don't think like a real main, you just think of what's on paper...
Malicious Metal6 votesI am a "real" Morde main and I'd very much prefer a rework that doesn't make my champion an oppressive anti-fun piece of trash (metal)
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesWell Morde was and in some ways still is like that... But Katarina is anti fun only towards lower ranked players who cant play anyway... So her rework makes her broken instead of balanced and it would be even harder to balance than her current Kit. so I dont see why is everyone jumping on me. Okay you all wanted her nerfed and stuff even if it was rare to play her, but do you seriously have to bash it on my head? Try for a moment to be in my shoes... Nah you wont you'll just jump on me and try to eat me alive...
President Swa1n3 votes[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N5eNsuQK,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-21T15:52:27.365+0000)
Its' slower, you don't need to setup anything, you need your enemy to be AFK or stunned, or plain stupid... Old combo is 0.4 on crappy gear, new combo is forced 1.2 sec minium, because of the waiting of the animations. Her shunpo and Q alone are 0 damage, her sinister steel is the majority, which both on W and Q need ~1 second to fall and the 0.2 is the shunpo animation...
[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N5eNsuQK,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-21T15:21:52.494+0000)
Her lane phase will be worse now, way worse and farming will be harder because you'll have to stay in closer range, because your Q has half thebounces and you need to pick up an item from the ground to do your AOE farm spell which has 15 sec CD on W and 10 on Q... Speaking much about lane phase now?
Her kit is brilliant as it is, if you find her boring to lane as then you got no idea how to play her, if you feel bored of laning against, it means she's outplaying you by passive play.
Her mechanics actually die, you need less speed now to cast your stuff (personal speed which is still skill), and need more items to just instant burst enemies. Since when is instant bursting in 1 spell better than actually thinking planning engaging and poking?
I play sololy Katarina only form 8 years and I haven't gotten bored, guess you're doing something wrong.
So you DON'T think she'll be under powered?
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesSo you DON'T think she'll be under powered?
Now you ask for my opinion? No I don't think she's under powered. I think she is under mobilized by a single factor. All assassins got base MS of 355 and she has 345, which was a nerf few months ago. She just needs her MS back to 355, to have an actual gain from the MS quint essenses once more which will be a great buff for her in high elo and same time balanced towards her damage output as she will still have her basic damage, just easier dodge/escape ability vs all the movement speed items/spells the 2016 champions got.
This is basically her problem. Changing her mobility spells and removing her ward jump and not tweaking her movement speed at all, isn't going to fix her problem, it's actually ruining it. Now you'll say why I say that and that I'm not a pro... But with this rework she cannot use her W + 
, to slow down enemies like Udyr, Garen, Irelia, Hecarim which also gives her a MS boost, allowing her counter play against them. Now you say I'm stupid because the 3 ward jumps. She casts W, in the same location as she is... which means her "escape" will be to go back into enemy lines to escape for a 0.5 period from that enemy. Then you say she has Q. Yes, the Q goes oN the enemy, again throwing her on enemy lines... Basically the 3 shunpoes are useless in this condition and she cannot instant delete bruisers, SO she losses a skilled and very effective counterplay vs bruisers which not so many people know and use. This tool is perfect for chasing enemies aswell, now she wont have it... Either she instant kills or she's instant dead. You always needed to position now and after, so basically no chance in that. The skill cap hardly moves between the now kit and the new kit as both kits are based on positioning and waiting. You don't "Create" anything, people create the opportunities, which is true for both kits. Basically both kits play in the same way, but in one kit you gain a MS 0.5 sec MS buff without hitting the enemy, the other case you gain the 0.5 MS buff, give the enemy small damage and slow, giving you a better opportunity to escape and same the the NOW is 4 seconds delay and the THEN will be 15 seconds. Which makes you LESS Mobility than you currently are, if you know how to play ofc.
So yeah, I claim she's no under powered atm, neither is she over powered... she's just complicated to use at full potential, so they removed a majority of that potential, said "free 3 shunpoes" and "bigger damage" and consider that as a proper "fix" and "buff" for the champion.
100% sure you wont read or will make something silly up, to prove how my point is wrong...
President Swa1n1 votesUm...I was asking about the rework
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesI think she'll be stupidly simplified and less potential than she currently is...
President Swa1n2 votesWait what? Have you even seen it? If anything, it increases her skill cap.
Ey b0ss mang1 votesokay so you try playing 
against katarina, you tell me how much fun it is having your screen in black and white the whole game because you can't cs, you can't poke, you can't land your combo, you can't roam, and you can't get your items. Tell me how much fun it is playing against a katarina when you decide to play a combo mage in general. Is it fun to you sitting at your turret fearing your life and making sure to play absolutely perfectly so that the rest of your team has a small chance of having fun.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesAhri lossing to Kata ? Okay, not sure if you're joking. Ahri can literally 1 shot Katarina at level 6 withotu any items at all while Kat cant drop her under 40% HP with full combo... Syndra's current state doesnt let Kata any chancea nd 1 shots her pre level 6... I really dont know what game you playing, but what you sad was true 3 yearsa go...
jaymc11301 votes[{quoted}](name=Ey b0ss mang,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N5eNsuQK,comment-id=00010000000000020000000000000001,timestamp=2016-10-22T04:36:52.018+0000)
okay so you try playing
Katarina is on a short list of the worst champions in the entire game. She's hard countered by basically everything, including Ahri...
If you ever have difficulties facing a Katarina the problem lies in your play and your abilities, not with the champions being used.
Schoenberg1 votesNo more faceroll pentakills 4 you
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesThat's why my keyboard is in perfect state from 10 years now?
Schoenberg1 votesDid you just take the faceroll part of my statement seriously?
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesI'm getting offended and all that stuff for over 10 hours today, how do you think I'll accept your comment?
jaymc11303 votesI'd like to take the time to point out that about a year ago, last December and November, after the announcement of DQ, a whole host of players, in particular those of us in diamond and up, made a BIG stink about how this feature was going to ruin the competitive integrity of the game. We were ignored. DQ was so bad that Riot has no had to completely reverse track and is removing it for next season. They COULD have just listened to us a year ago when we outlined all the problems that Queue type would cause.
When we bitch about tentative changes with good reason and supporting evidence we should be taken seriously. Not that I am saying the same is the case with what is being discussed in this thread, I am merely pointing out that we complained last season about tentative changes that would ruin the game, were ignored, and the changes did ruin the game.
