Tank Meta

LeroyJennnkins·Jun 11, 2016·3 votes·640 views

Okay people, I've been playing league for a lonnnnnnnng time now and I've hated some things like old Teemo and Darius, you know the op stuff but what is really rustling my jimmies is the "Tank Meta". every game I play there is a or a or a or a etc. and I'm really confused why riot allows these champs to build full tank and do the most damage in the game. I understand the percentage health stats, I just think you should either go tank or go damage. Not both. If you feel the same let me know. Just had to let off some steam.

20 Comments

Critmaster GarenJun 11, 20166 votes

garen and voli arent tanks. malphite is mostly good against ad heavy teamcomps. i suggest not building them while leaving him open.

i guess youre sitting in bronze complaining about garen. hes actually doing pretty terrible right now.

edit.: lol b4. its funny how you dont even have to look into someones profile to know that theyre sitting in low bronze. they leave a comment about the "tank meta", think garen is strong atm and you have your even below average bronzie.

DefendedJun 11, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N0P95wWA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-06-11T14:27:48.059+0000)

garen and voli arent tanks. malphite is mostly good against ad heavy teamcomps. i suggest not building them while leaving him open.

i guess youre sitting in bronze complaining about garen. hes actually doing pretty terrible right now.

edit.: lol b4. its funny how you dont even have to look into someones profile to know that theyre sitting in low bronze. they leave a comment about the "tank meta", think garen is strong atm and you have your even below average bronzie.

Garen and voli are fucking tanks.

Its funny how someone named critmaster garen is defending garen..

Mb you pressing Q-E-Ult and koing anyone isnt good enough? Ok garen

Critmaster GarenJun 11, 20165 votes

{quoted}

Garen and voli are fucking tanks.

Its funny how someone named critmaster garen is defending garen..

Mb you pressing Q-E-Ult and koing anyone isnt good enough? Ok garen

garen and voli are bruisers. there is a difference between bruisers and tanks. a bruisers job is it to deal damage. their high defense is compensation for lack of mobility and utility. their weakness is that theyre much more kitable than actual tanks or most other carries.

hard cc, long range initiate, peel is what makes a tank in addition to defense.

garen and voli cant bulldoze into your backline from a distance and knock up multiple opponents like malphite can, or cc your entire team like sejuani or nautilus. instead theyre better duellists and deal more damgage. at least theyre suppsoed to be.

i dont need to defend garen. right now hes objectively weak and actually needs buffs. if you dont believe me look at his statistics for plat and upwards. actually even in bronze and silver he isnt even doing well anymore. the recent nerfs to swifites and boot enchant removals have hit him incredibly hard.

DefendedJun 11, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N0P95wWA,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-06-11T16:18:49.925+0000)

garen and voli are bruisers. there is a difference between bruisers and tanks. a bruisers job is it to deal damage. their high defense is compensation for lack of mobility and utility. their weakness is that theyre much more kitable than actual tanks or most other carries.

hard cc, long range initiate, peel is what makes a tank in addition to defense.

garen and voli cant bulldoze into your backline from a distance and knock up multiple opponents like malphite can, or cc your entire team like sejuani or nautilus. instead theyre better duellists and deal more damgage. at least theyre suppsoed to be.

i dont need to defend garen. right now hes objectively weak and actually needs buffs. if you dont believe me look at his statistics for plat and upwards. actually even in bronze and silver he isnt even doing well anymore. the recent nerfs to swifites and boot enchant removals have hit him incredibly hard.

Irelia is a bruiser. Fiora is a bruiser. Garen and voli are NOT bruiseres. Get your facts right Garens W gives him innate tankiness

ErockandrollJun 11, 20164 votes

{quoted}

Irelia is a bruiser. Fiora is a bruiser. Garen and voli are NOT bruiseres. Get your facts right Garens W gives him innate tankiness

And Riot gave them new names to prevent this confusion.

Their not Bruisers, and their not Tanks. They are Juggernauts. They have been given the title Juggernaut since the Juggernaut update.

DefendedJun 11, 20161 votes

{quoted}

And Riot gave them new names to prevent this confusion.

Their not Bruisers, and their not Tanks. They are Juggernauts. They have been given the title Juggernaut since the Juggernaut update.

Listen. My point isnt to argue like i give a fuck what anyone is.

My point is to tell this guy that garen and volibear are tanks.

IcyPepperJun 11, 20166 votes

My point is to tell this guy that garen and volibear are tanks.

And your point is wrong.

DefendedJun 11, 20161 votes

{quoted}

And your point is wrong.

I dont argue with unranked people. Sorry.

EndlessSorcererJun 11, 20165 votes

If you don't want to listen to an unranked player, then take it from a Platinum player:

Garen and Volibear are fighers, not tanks.

They are durable fighters, but they don't have the utility or CC to truly function as tanks.

Instead, they have damage to threaten the enemy team while being difficult to kill.

DefendedJun 12, 20161 votes

{quoted}

If you don't want to listen to an unranked player, then take it from a Platinum player:

They are durable fighters, but they don't have the utility or CC to truly function as tanks.

Instead, they have damage to threaten the enemy team while being difficult to kill.

Death is the best CC.

Critmaster GarenJun 12, 20163 votes

{quoted}

Death is the best CC.

by that logic, every form of carry, mage and assassin would be a support or tank, so no. this is not an argument. and their damage is avoidable.

DefendedJun 12, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N0P95wWA,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-12T01:05:15.331+0000)

by that logic, every form of carry, mage and assassin would be a support or tank, so no. this is not an argument. and their damage is avoidable.

That wasent an opinion Thats a fact.

Garen builds Sunfire spirit visage warmogs dead mans

Last i checked

Thats what tanks build

Whats a tank

Anything thats tanky

What is the new op fizz build?

Tank fizz..

Stop trying

RalanrJun 12, 20163 votes

You're so fucking simple minded that it hurts. Tanky== tank. We just call it a tank build because they are copying what a tank would build.

By your logic, Sion is an ADC if he builds IE and a bunch of attack speed and crit items.

Your build just gives you the base benefits of the class, it doesn't make you the class.

DefendedJun 12, 20161 votes

{quoted}

You're so fucking simple minded that it hurts. Tanky== tank. We just call it a tank build because they are copying what a tank would build.

By your logic, Sion is an ADC if he builds IE and a bunch of attack speed and crit items.

Your build just gives you the base benefits of the class, it doesn't make you the class.

ADC means attack damage carry. Sion would be considered an ADC if he built those yes.

And by your definition ''tanks must have ccs'' then veigar is a tank if he builds tanky because he has a stun.. So nice

RalanrJun 12, 20161 votes

Sion wouldn't be much of a carry as his kit doesn't really support that playstyle (all of his AD scaling abilities are unreliable).

It's not just CC, CC is a big part of it. You also need ways to boost your defensives through your kit, some way to initiate or disengage, and a better benefit to build defensive over other champions (such as abilities that scale with resistances or health).

I'm sure someone else can explain it better. But it isn't the build that determines your class, it's your kit.

Critmaster GarenJun 15, 20161 votes

{quoted}

ADC means attack damage carry. Sion would be considered an ADC if he built those yes.

And by your definition ''tanks must have ccs'' then veigar is a tank if he builds tanky because he has a stun.. So nice

tanks have a specific set of stregths. lots of cc is one of them. peel, high defense and base stats, and long range initate are the other strengths. veigar has neither of them.

garen and voli have high defense and base stats, but no long range initiate, noticable cc or peel. (volis q might count, but is very limited).

Critmaster GarenJun 12, 20164 votes

{quoted}

I dont argue with unranked people. Sorry.

unranked is arguably still better than bronze 4. because at least there is a chance the guy isnt terrible. youve already proven that you absolutely suck at this game.

Critmaster GarenJun 12, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Irelia is a bruiser. Fiora is a bruiser. Garen and voli are NOT bruiseres. Get your facts right Garens W gives him innate tankiness

fiora is a melee adc. irelia is designed as an assassin, but people just built her bruiser as result of all her inbuilt damage.

both have more mobility than garen and voli. and fiora has more damage and a teamwide heal on her ult. hence why theyre more squishy, even when they have the same job as garen and voli. even between fiora and irelia, irelia is already noticably more tanky than fiora, and far less mobile.

"fighter" is a large category of champions with a wide spectrum of mobility, utility and tankyness. between slower, heavy bruisers who are extremely beefy like darius, garen, voli and illaoi to more mobile skirmishers and dive fighters like jax, irelia, and vi, to squishier melee adc like fiora, and yasuo. hence why they invented subcategories for most of the champions. and the first couple guys i mentioned are called juggernauts.

ErockandrollJun 11, 20163 votes

You do realize that half of the champs you mentioned are actually Juggernauts? Champs that are designed to have High Defense, Moderate Damage.

Also, Most of their spells are AoE. They do the most damage because they do it to the entire team. (Except Voli Bear, he's just a Juggernaut/Duelist who's really hard to 1v1.)