Let Karma bind herself to an ally with mantra'd W

MazeMangler·8/13/2015, 7:51:41 AM·36 votes·5,888 views

Think about it. Wouldn't it be nice if Karma could use mantra'd w on an ally? The effect would be the one of Martyr's Gambit: For the next 4 (?) sec Karma redirects a % of the incoming damage done to her tethered partner to herself.

Thematically Karma is ,,the Enlightened One'', a person with strong mental powers and the will to protect her people. I think there wont be problems from that side.

With the right percentage it could be healthy, because karma is squishy. There would be problems with a tankkarmabuild, but one can always reduce bases and increase apscaling. I think this change could make her more unique, would give her a niche lulu and especially janna who -in my opinion- crowds out other shielding supports cant fulfill.

Thanks for taking the time

34 Comments

Illâoi Evê Siôn8/13/2015, 8:40:10 AM12 votes

This is actually really interesting. What if it were the other way around with enemies and Mantra'd W? A percentage of the damage Karma takes is redirected to the Mantra'd enemy ^^

RiotRiotRepertoir8/14/2015, 2:23:32 AM7 votes

I think this change could make her more unique, would give her a niche lulu and especially janna who -in my opinion- crowds out other shielding supports cant fulfill.

What do you see this niche as being that makes it so different from Janna, or especially Lulu? I'm definitely not saying the idea behind the spell isn't interesting, but it would probably need to be strongly differentiated from other targeted defensive spells to really make it niche. Does this make Karma the best single target life saver support?

Warden Karma8/13/2015, 8:25:59 AM4 votes

Mechanics like this has often been asked for New Karma to give her more duality again. As I first played Old Karma I thought the tether, when bound to an ally, would Heal both over time (and maybe share Damage among them). I would like that possibility with her W.

alfavhunter8/14/2015, 2:49:25 PM2 votes

Q/MQ remains the same E/ME remain the same

W/MW can now be used on an ally champion

W used on ally causes the next attack or spell used on the target to instead effect karma (this can kill her), this will break the tether

MW teather does not break after the initial effect, but keeps its duration and causes 10/12/14/16(based on mantra lvl up) (+.15ap) of the damage taken by the target to be redirected to karma instead (this can kill her)

This lets karma trade the damage, root, and self heal of W/MW to strengthen her allies survival and give a 1 spell redirect if used with good timing (redirecting Taric stuns can win. A trade in bot lane) basically she gives her ally a spell shield at the cost of herself taking the hit, and it requires timing to get right and has counter play due to it only being 1 spell, this would make karma a valuable support in being able to shield and spell shield, have a root, some damage, and a speed boost

Making her a cross between lulu and Morgan's support strength while having to chose offensive support or defensive support for W and at times E for the engage or disengage value

This would put her in a healthy position for 2 facts, one the damage redirect is low enough that it will be helpful but not op in early game

Two , to make it effective she has to build a lot of AP which means she could end up killing herself because she is now missing in survival stats

While as tankma this will be useful with low risk of death from it but not overly so because you lack the AP to make it strong

Basically it lets karma chose a huge helping of her ally with high self risk or a lower helping with lower self risk, or a balance between the two, and then needing CD-R for mantra CD effects how often she can do it

Just my idea of how to do it

And making her a cross between lulu and Morgan's isn't a bad thing because both are strong supports, and this change would give karma her identity back at the same time of keeping a balance in offensive and defensive decisions

Valderis Vandala8/13/2015, 7:30:30 PM2 votes

Or if cast on an ally she heals them, and the ally's attacks slow the enemy during the duration, or maybe a small area root at the end if the tether isn't broken instead.

Would be nice if you could heal others with your ult tether. XD

TNHA Baritone8/14/2015, 1:17:58 AM1 votes

I think this mechanic could be abused in lane without restrictions so unless Karma takes some of her own Hp and donates to her binded partner as long as they are binded together. Enemies can walk through the bind to break it. Karma can shield herself while doing this to donate HP without taking so much HP since the shield would negate the dmg. Karma shouldnt be able to do this while under X HP. I think the more current % Less % HP her partner has should increase the healing. If Karma does this to an enemy it should reduce their damage dealt (not a lot though) and lower the healing ratio (just so ppl dont qq for compensation) and...yeah

Andy8881018/13/2015, 6:09:43 PM1 votes

so like old karma

Mantra Bot8/14/2015, 4:53:49 AM1 votes

how about karma can only link to an ally with the mantra w, as well as what she has currently. With this ally link she, as well as the ally, heals for 10% of missing hp each, at the beginning of the cast and 2 seconds thereafter if the chain had not broken.

to compensate for this buff, karma could lose out on the range of the initial cast of the tether..by about 50 or so would be fair.

OrchidBoy8/14/2015, 6:42:10 AM1 votes

As a Karma Karma main, this would really help after the R + E damage nerf, she feels less helpful after that and this would really giver her a boost, and maybe just maybe people would consider her a pick for a support.

JustBoneBrook8/14/2015, 10:03:50 PM1 votes

Oh god i dont care what it dose I just love it (it what one of the 2 thing i hate about the rework) no W on alie and no heal on Q :P It could heal the 2 character insteed of root for 2 sec / damage

Warden Karma8/23/2015, 1:17:42 AM1 votes

While I like the Idea really much, I have one concern:

Why mantraing W if E has the same "goal"?

Sure there would be some difference, but Karma already has a single target life saver Ability: RE

Giving RW a similiar purpose would make it feeling less "good" because you might be confused wether you should Supershield your ally now or Bind with him/her/it. You could make it like RW is for 2vs2 dueling and RE for Teamfights, which would leave RW in a niche spot (like it is now outside the laning phase). Also Damaging her Boundpartner should proc her Passive, since you loose it if you cast it on an ally.

Thoughts on this?

RowanEnd8/13/2015, 11:20:17 PM1 votes

I really love this idea because I enjoy playing karma but I find that the only interesting thing about her is her Mantra. Otherwise shes just a super basic skillshot made that happens to have a ropt that deals damage and a basic shield.