Can we Buff poachers knife.

Ñapoleoni··7 votes·875 views

I really like counter-jungling; however, in this meta, poacher's knife is the most useless item in the game.

Problems: -It only works in the enemies jungle -If the enemy is smart and wards their jungle, you will get spotted and get gang-banged by 3-4 people -Late game you are wasting an item slot -Because almost all junglers are playing tanks, it is very hard to get them behind considering damage is more expensive than tankyness.

Pros: -The movespeed buff is ridiculously good. -The half cool down on smite allows for insane clear speeds in their jungle, especially when you spot the enemy ganking another lane. -If played correctly, you can get the enemy jungler really behind.

So the problem I have here is that Poacher's knife is basically only viable in the lower elo's, where no one wards, where no one listens too pings, where no one looks at the enemies build, and where no one helps the jungler when he is getting counter jungled. However, as you climb the ranked ladder, it is to easy to shut down a jungler using a poachers knife with one simple ward and a team willing to back you up.

Changes: -We can reduce Poaching smites damage by 100 (at later levels); however, increase the range that it can be used, so you can get a baron or dragon smite from over the wall. -When you use Poaching smite on a jungle monster in your jungle, you can increase the length of the smite buff by 50 percent. -Allow it to hold a long range ward. (Like the old Feral Flare/Wriggles Lantern) -Allow the smite to be cast on friendly champions, so when you move towards them your move speed gets increased, additionally you leave behind a weak slow trail. -Gut LeBlanc

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TheThundersRoar2 votes

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Ñapoleoni1 votes

Yea I like the shield Idea a lot. Also nice AC3 Reference.

DisasterSola1 votes

IMO poachers knife could use the same change mobi boots needs; Give it the same base stats as the rest of the items.

I think poachers would be much better if its cooldown worked in your own jungle, too, for less damage.

Ñapoleoni1 votes

Trailblazer is used for fast clear times in your own jungle. Also, if you have tried using a poachers knife in the enemies jungle, you should know how insane the clear speed is on that. I think at lvl 8 with nocturne, I was able to clear out the enemies jungle in the time it took for him to gank one lane. That smite CD is broken AF.

Emperor Time1 votes

They should just remove poachers knife from the game imo it's not really a good idea to constantly invade the enemy's jungle. I just had a game where a Shyvana was using poachers knife to come take my stuff, but all I had to do was ward jungle and wait for her to be spotted and then go to her jungle and take her stuff. If poachers knife counter jungling was the meta I would probably stop playing jungle all together because it's just obnoxious and if the enemy picks a champ that straight up wins against anyone early game like Shaco or has movement/healing advantage like Nunu then jungling would just be frustrating and would just end up being this thing where you basically swap sides with the enemy jungler to take each others stuff.

Trash MammaI1 votes

The thing is as long as trailblazer exist there's no way TO buff poachers knife.

You'll either make it a really stupidly OP item and having no use for trailblazer or no matter what trailblazer will always be better.

Trailblazer is the reason the item is outclassed the smite buff on it's own.

IMO a good buff might be to allow poachers knife smite to do more true damage to minions/monsters in the enemy camp along with how it is now. This would allow you to clear just as fast as trail but only inside the enemy camp.

Zone of Endless1 votes

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The thing is as long as trailblazer exist there's no way TO buff poachers knife.

You'll either make it a really stupidly OP item and having no use for trailblazer or no matter what trailblazer will always be better.

Trailblazer is the reason the item is outclassed the smite buff on it's own.

IMO a good buff might be to allow poachers knife smite to do more true damage to minions/monsters in the enemy camp along with how it is now. This would allow you to clear just as fast as trail but only inside the enemy camp.

it still doesn't fix the problem of too much risk for very little rewards.

Like OP said smart team will ward and typically see enemy's jungler movement.

Is that one camp really worth the dragon/bot lane?

Silents4291 votes

-If the enemy is smart and wards their jungle, you will get spotted and get gang-banged by 3-4 people

With the 1 ward they will have since buying wards early on can set you back as a Jungler. Not that difficult.

-Late game you are wasting an item slot

Somehow counter jungling stops being a thing?

-Because almost all junglers are playing tanks, it is very hard to get them behind considering damage is more expensive than tankyness.

Did you really just suggest tanks are the ones who don't get behind when counter jungled.

Ñapoleoni1 votes

With the 1 ward they will have since buying wards early on can set you back as a Jungler. Not that difficult.

Don't know where you have been, but Riot literally gives you a free ward at lvl 1, also sustain junglers are able to get an early ward.

Somehow counter jungling stops being a thing?

Late game is centered more around team fighting and pushing towers, so yes counter jungling really becomes irrelevant late game.

Did you really just suggest tanks are the ones who don't get behind when counter jungled.

When I jump on a Rammus, Malphite, Udyr,Volibear,Zac,Amumu,Gragas,RekSai,Nautilus, Hecarim, or Chogath with 100 armor at lvl 3 with my Rengar, Nocturne, Shaco,LeeSin,Evelynn, Warwick,Vi, or MasterYi it almost seems as if my attacks are healing them. Also tanks are able to escape or fight against me considering at lvls 1-6, damage is pretty much even across the board. Also, going camp-blue buff-camp-back, seems to be replacing the camp-blue buff-scuttle-red buff-back, jungle path.

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