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OK Rito. Why the wholesale nerfs on Taric

Sinlaire·6/29/2017, 11:35:08 PM·2 votes·436 views

Taric [note: lots of q changes, hold tight.] Starlight's Touch (Q) changes + tooltip clean up. wip. Mana cost changed from 60/80/100/120/140 from 70/80/90/100/110 Base Heal Per Charge changed from [20/30/40/50/60] to [30]. HP scaling on heal lowered from 1.5% to 1% Max Charges changed from 3 to 1/2/3/4/5 Bravado-empowered attacks changed from [reduce recharge time by X seconds] to [Bravado-empowered attacks grant x charge of Starlight's Touch]

These are the current changes to Taric Q on Surrender at 20. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/06/629-pbe-update.html#more

Taric Base Mana Regen Per 5 increased from 5 to 8.5. Mana regen growth Per 5 lowered from 1 to 0.8 Dazzle (E): Cooldown changed from 15 at all ranks to 17/16/15/14/13 Magic damage increased from 60/105/150/240 to 100/145/190/235/280 Stun duration changed from 1/1.125/1.25/1.375/1.5 to 1.25 at all ranks

These are changes made to him earlier in the week as well. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/06/627-pbe-update.html#balance

Q is nerfed in scaling, charges, AND base healing factor.all of which are from levels 1-4 until level 5 which means New Q will beat Old Q in healing by .5% in scaling while still falling short in base. a total amount of about ~1800 health Taric will need at lvl 7 of all things to pull even with if Maxing Q first. With E nerfs maxing it first for increased stun doesnt do anything and we never wanted the damage. Now Q is also weaker at levels 1-5 until Taric has enough health to body the changes and that STILL only applies if Taric makes it up to the maximum # charges and no less.

Am i reading something wrong here or what is happening? I assume the E nerfs were to stop the trend of maxing E first but Q was always maxed last and now it's worse. So with this current set of numbers wont it still just be an E max first or do you want us to max W first now?

5 Comments

Big Lincoln6/29/2017, 11:42:03 PM2 votes

Q is more mana efficient. also the scaling is from 1.5% bonus health to 1% maximum so it technically scales better since your base health pool now applies to the healing.

E is much stronger early on which is important because laning is his worst phase (for good reason), an extra 40 damage and the rank 3 stun at level 1 is great for trading as well as very early ganks

and he has a LOT more mana regen early on, too.

Rewt6/29/2017, 11:40:13 PM1 votes

i dont understand riot. Taric q was actually useless. It was one of the most pathetic heals in the game. Alistar E (old) was more impactful that that shit.

Merbstrom6/30/2017, 12:53:06 AM1 votes

It looks like they're trying to lower the skill floor on Taric, but with these changes there is almost no reason to get cdr since you can spam q with no cooldown to get your other abilities. Attackspeed (assuming you don't cap with 1.75) is a better stat to get more abilities off. I honestly don't like the idea that they're nerfing his scaling even if this is probably power positive. I'd really like some Rioter context for the changes.

Shatter the Sun7/5/2017, 9:17:15 AM1 votes

TBH im fine with the changes, better mana regen coupled with E changes make taric top/jng alot better which is where I play him...His Q change is....interesting but I can see myself putting 2 points into it then maxing E cause it still reduces the CD.