Why Nerf Shaco?

jakeseo·Apr 19, 2017·3 votes·1,436 views

For a while after the Assassin update, I felt the damage of Shaco was dulled down dramatically in all of its abilities. Through the reworked changes, many Shaco mains either tried to go Ap, Bruiser, or just completely gave up on the champion. The Q is not as useful as before because of the cooldown nerf, the E had reworked to an execute that literally did no damage in the early game, and all his damage was split out evenly into his kit. The passive was also nerfed to where only his basic attacks from behind had a critical where the old passive gave all his damage a increase when attacking from behind.

   With all these changes and having most damage come by building AP, the assassin that was so fun to play as took less skill and brains to play. For example: The Q when maxed has a 4.5 second invis and before it was 3 seconds. This made the skill become total braindead as even a child could assassinate or escape with this much time. Having Shaco become a tank is viable but that would just follow the footsteps of Fizz and Ekko that became notorious for being obnoxious but was put down to the ground by Rito. Shaclone, who used to build ad now has to build tanky and just have a constant dps to kill the ADCs. 

  If Riot decides to be fine with this, I would also say all these nerfs would be fine but if they don&#039;t want to let the champion be played this way and still nerfs shaco, Riot is just digging a deeper hole for the champion until it becomes completely useless. Another suggestion would be to lower the Q&#039;s invis and buff more of the base damage of shaco since mostly of its power came from items and the abilities were just for support.

15 Comments

LyingOnLineApr 19, 20172 votes

He got nerfed because he was wildly OP.

GildarztApr 19, 20171 votes

The bruiser build was, but instead nerf the bruiser potential they nerfed the assasin one.

That's not make any sense.

"Shaco is OP now with the 56% of winrate because of bruiser build, what can we do?, Oh let's nerf his damage and movility... the only viable build right now is bruiser one, good job" XD

#RitoThoughts2017

LyingOnLineApr 19, 20171 votes

They nerfed the bruiser build too.

GildarztApr 19, 20171 votes

Only with the Q base damage, and it was low at beginning so...

They nerfed passve scale, and Q cd, these ones does not affect on bruiser build, and destroy the rest of the builds.

It's a mistake.

CochoApr 19, 20172 votes

Shaco item 3078 item 3748

That thing hurts

KarfussApr 19, 20171 votes

ANY bruiser that rushes those two items is probably gonna hurt.

CochoApr 19, 20173 votes

Yeah but they can't pop up invisible behind my ass and duplicate themselves hitting me with item 3078 item 3748 .

My bum can only take so much

KarfussApr 19, 20171 votes

And then we get into the slippery slope of say, Shaco also can't ward hop behind you, kick you across the map and land a guaranteed Q before you can even flash.

Comparing apples to oranges isn't necessarily helpful. But the bottom line, is that any bruiser building those items is gonna hurt, regardless of who it is.

CochoApr 19, 20172 votes

It was too strong in my opinion and in other people's opinion.

The nerf in this case was warranted, whether other champs deserve nerfs, is another argument.

KarfussApr 19, 20171 votes

I think you missed the point there. I was making the point that another certain bruiser/assassin that builds very similarly, also does damage, and that mentioning their abilities isn't particularly helpful. Only that anyone who builds those items, is going to do damage.

It hasn't been nerfed, neither is the opinion a majority.

I'm just of the mind that if you wanted Assassin Shaco nerfed originally, which had a comparatively much lower win rate, and higher pick rate, and was widely considered the only viable way to play him at that time... Then Bruiser Shaco is a comeuppance.

CochoApr 19, 20171 votes

I'd rather have assassins being assassins and bruisers being brusiers

KarfussApr 19, 20171 votes

Anyone can be an assassin or bruiser, its dependent on item build. Whether that's the most optimal way is another matter.

Problem with Shaco, is that bruiser Shaco is now the only optimal build for him. Karma for destroying a build, and a play style, that was far far more balanced.