Champs that are Broken but not OP

TheRakkun·Apr 26, 2015·51 votes·6,705 views

I DO NOT THINK THESE CHAMPS ARE OP.

First let's define Broken and OP. Broken: Generally lacking counterplay and is unfun to play against. EG. OP: Outclasses most of it's opponents due to sheer stats alone. EG.

Now to the list: : Boing, Boing, Boing. : Fuck that ult, just... FUCK IT. : I Q, You QQ. : The implacable woman. : Erectin' a Sentry. And Another. And another. That ult will make you cry at night untill you can get a zhonyas. And god help you if you're not AP. and Untargetability and mobility.

Anyone else you think are broken BUT NOT OP.

215 Comments

insaiyanbaccaApr 26, 201547 votes

Yorick annoying piece of crap to lane against

LuggApr 26, 20153 votes

But pretty much worthless in teamfights and late game.

ChaoticPineconeApr 26, 201512 votes

until he plays smart and stops ulting himself and ults the ADC.

ProfDrDeathApr 26, 201511 votes

Or this one: Cassiopeia .

LuggApr 26, 20151 votes

Yeah, the carry can clean up after the revive but still dies anyway which doesn't really allow you to get objectives afterwards.

OrbvApr 27, 20152 votes

I have close to never seen a Yorick correctly using his ult. The revive is a fail safe, if you guys lose the fight, it ensures that nobody will take advantage of the lost fight.

But if he activates it at the very start of a fight, right after initiation, it adds 40% more dmg for up to 10 seconds.

If an ADC had any of these item 3031 item 3072 item 3153 , the ghost would be doing as much physical damage as an AD support. With 2 of those items, the ghost will be doing as much dmg as yorick without his ghouls. It will also deal damage from Kog's, Vayne's, Varus', Jinx's, Miss Fortune's, Corki's passives.

His ultimate is best placed on an ADC who has on-hit effects.

ChaoticPineconeApr 27, 20152 votes

theres a reason i said "ADC" instead of "Carries". ult the APC and its just an extra couple seconds of spells in a fight, and gives cleanup potential if they die. Ult the ADC at the start of the fight and direct the ult to attack the tank. your ADC + 75% of the ADC's damage can shred through just about any tank.

EDIT - i mean, nobody targets the ult, so its a free weaker version of the adc that is constantly attacking.

Shadow GilgameshApr 26, 201542 votes

Riven

The amount of her power tied to animation canceling is really dumb to keep around. Also having a hypersnowballing champ ALSO have one of the best pre-6 kits is just ASKING for them to be considered freelo, even if they're trash if they can't get fed.

RikariApr 26, 201520 votes

You probs saw this coming but a sword mirrors its owner

FourVsFiveApr 26, 201519 votes

Yasuo This only champ i played with that carried a whole team by himself.. not sure if just high skill cap or some broken element to him...

KeevalroyApr 26, 201516 votes

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This only champ i played with that carried a whole team by himself.. not sure if just high skill cap or some broken element to him...

A little bit of both, more to the element side. His kit is fundamentally broken and feels horribly toxic to play against in lane.

LuggApr 26, 201515 votes

Yas is broken and OP. Has TWO of the best passives in the game. He gets double crit chance and a free shield that automatically activates when he gets attacked. He gets a knock-up CC, a dash with almost zero CD, and a defensive shield that is probably better than 75% of the ultimates in the game since it stops EVERYTHING including ultimates! And his ult can be used on ANY airborne opponent which is so easy considering the amount of knockups in the game now. He is an assassin that does stupid amounts of damage and is tankier than a Braum in some situations due to his wind wall and passive. He is strong early, mid, and late game. But Riot says he is balanced, give me a break.

DanofDemaciaApr 26, 20152 votes

Someone who gets it :') mages that arent annie or malzahar have literally zero options against him,

MarhsallLee67Apr 26, 20152 votes

I hate how lenient Yasuo's ult is. I feel like if LoL were a real-life thing, he would be able to ult anybody who lifted their foot from the ground just because.

Sleeping VictorApr 26, 20153 votes

Dont leave out that when you play against him, it feels like his ultimate has a 20 second cd!

Rew711Apr 26, 201514 votes

Nidalee my spear gains power as it flies away

LuggApr 26, 20155 votes

I love an ability with a 6 second CD that does more damage than 90% of the ultimates in the game.

Sypher The PoroApr 26, 201513 votes

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Just want to point out as a Fizz player, that using his E pre-6 uses about a quarter of his mana pool. Fizz's base mana is one of the worst in the game, which is why Lichbane is such a good item.

Now, my list:

: Melee? Lols
: When a Zed ults me, recalls, then pushes R to come back and laugh as I die there's something wrong. 3.: Level 6? No QSS? Smiles
: Click RWARWARWARWARWA (On a note, WW's ult is immune to all CC except knock-ups. It will cancel the suppression, but will still do damage as long as the target is within a certain range. PBE post under my name from a while ago about it.)
: 200% AD Ratio on an 80 second CD at level 1. Oh, did I mention it's targeted?

EvilRabbittApr 26, 20153 votes

That Zed so true. Baron buff so broken.

LuggApr 26, 20152 votes

Kalista is definitely the most broken ADC in the game. She needs heavy nerfs and rework. Zed literally has pretty much zero counterplay. He needs to be nerfed like Kassadin was. Malzahar ult is sick, but once you get an hourglass or QSS, it is worthless. WW is actually underpowered if you compare him to Vi. Lee Sin may actually be more broken than Zed, which is ridiculous. Riot needs to complete remove the ward hoping BS to even begin to make him balanced.

KeevalroyApr 26, 20153 votes

Lee Sin may actually be more broken than Zed, which is ridiculous. Riot needs to complete remove the ward hoping BS to even begin to make him balanced.

But reddit would cry if you did anything to impact flashy plays. Riot wouldn't allow for something like that to happen since they're beating off the the same #LCSBigPlays that reddit does.

LuggApr 26, 20152 votes

It's sad that they prioritized flashy plays over balance. With my suggestion, he would still be able to make great plays.

Silents429Apr 26, 20152 votes

Warwick is shit now. His ult can be stopped by Knockups, Blinds, and Stuns.

And this is coming from a Warwick main, I have seen the stupid bug where he is still attacking, CC still stops him and the damage.

MrBuffingtonApr 26, 201512 votes

Chogath Fiddlesticks Tryndamere Shaco Teemo Warwick Vladimir Swain Nasus Aatrox Malzahar

Not sure if broken, just annoying to deal with

IcyPepperApr 26, 20159 votes

Whoa whoa whoa, Fiora doesn't really have mobility. She has a Q to dash to a close-ranged opponent and that's basically it, it's just a gap closer. Fizz, on the other hand, can actually hop over walls :/

But I hear ya. If you think about it, a lot of champions are broken in their own little ways.

Anivia wtf I towerdived at level three and she turned into an egg what Evelynn omg total invisibility Ezreal the only counterplay is if the player has Pulsefire they probably suck Graves omg dat burst Vayne omg %hp true damage no counterplay can't build against Gnar wtf ranged and a tank Morgana Hit by her snare, reported for afk. Ahri So sexy her charm always hits you Ashe omg much utility yet very adc

ModAcademy KaynApr 26, 20158 votes

Cassiopeia I find Cass's kit to be very... toxic ;D

(But honestly when she hits level 2 i cri)

A Miss FortuneApr 26, 20154 votes

The only time I cry when I play Cass is when I forget to buy a mana item before 5 minutes into the game.

King OdinApr 26, 20158 votes

Chogath I am a tanky burst AP mage with true damage, fear me..

stevedoesmcApr 26, 20152 votes

unless your team gang bangs him so he can' build stacks, i main him i know his weaknesses

iamthegoatofwarApr 26, 20157 votes

leb is op 2 dashes and rip to your carries.

ChickenWrapApr 26, 20156 votes

Champs that are broken and OP: Chogath Hecarim Orianna Maokai Riven Rumble Sejuani MonkeyKing Zed Irelia

blueberrypancakeApr 26, 201529 votes

You should have just done Riven and your post would have been funny

(If someone downvotes me by not getting the joke with the broken sword I'll throw my PC out the window)

ChickenWrapApr 26, 20153 votes

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You should have just done Riven and your post would have been funny

(If someone downvotes me by not getting the joke with the broken sword I'll throw my PC out the window)

It was a serious post.

Lao Fu the TigerApr 26, 201511 votes

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It was a serious post.

Really? Your list is so bad I thought you were joking, too.

ChickenWrapApr 26, 20153 votes

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Really? Your list is so bad I thought you were joking, too.

You're right, what am I talking about? Five years of experience and Diamond under my belt. A thread over a hundred pages long where I answer any and all questions relating to League, and constant proof that I've been right about changes or potential changes being OP before anyone on the forums began complaining about them as well as predicting the tank and long range mage meta two weeks before it came to fruition. Why on earth would I have any clue about balance?

Zenthon PrimeApr 26, 20154 votes

Every single champion you listed besides Riven is either fixable (Zed), just overtuned (Sej) or flat out not OP (Ori, Wukong). And most are FotM, which makes me think that you wouldn't have even thought of them a month ago.

ChickenWrapApr 26, 20152 votes

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Every single champion you listed besides Riven is either fixable (Zed), just overtuned (Sej) or flat out not OP (Ori, Wukong). And most are FotM, which makes me think that you wouldn't have even thought of them a month ago.

Yes, and thus, they should be fixed. Riven is also very easily fixable. They're OP, but they don't have to be.

I said they were strong then, I'm saying they're strong now.

You know why they're FoTM?

Because they're strong and people learned about them.

Here, maybe this can help clear some things up? http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3704154

Zenthon PrimeApr 26, 20154 votes

The entire concept of a broken champion is one that cannot be fixed with their current kit intact. The premier example of this is Poppy, but others exist.

I'm not saying you don't know how this game works (because you do), I'm saying you don't know the definition of broken.

ChickenWrapApr 26, 20154 votes

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The entire concept of a broken champion is one that cannot be fixed with their current kit intact. The premier example of this is Poppy, but others exist.

I'm not saying you don't know how this game works (because you do), I'm saying you don't know the definition of broken.

Since when did G&B decide that that is the definition of broken?

They mean the same thing, guys. Every character can be fixed with their current kit intact (if you're including small additions/subtractions of pieces to the kit as keeping the kit intact). You just need to do it correctly.

Poppy's ultimate needs to be changed so she deals less bonus damage to her target and she's invulnerable for less time than she currently is. To make up for this, buff her W's bonus armour and AD gain a tad so CSing with her is easier. From there, reduce the damage reduction her passive offers as well.

Aych PiiApr 26, 20152 votes

OP literally stated what definition of "Broken" he was using for this thread's purposes, if you're using a different one your post belongs somewhere else. Also it's a pretty common distinction in the community anyhow.

(Also Poppy's Ult will always either be intensely frustrating to go against or just flat out useless.)

ChickenWrapApr 26, 20151 votes

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OP literally stated what definition of "Broken" he was using for this thread's purposes, if you're using a different one your post belongs somewhere else. Also it's a pretty common distinction in the community anyhow.

(Also Poppy's Ult will always either be intensely frustrating to go against or just flat out useless.)

Right, and those champions are both broken (unfun to play against) and OP, outclassing almost everyone else in their specific roles. The two go hand-in-hand as almost the same definition.

No, Poppy's ult can be tuned properly to be good for her to use and not be completely broken, you just need to do it correctly.

This needs to be changed http://puu.sh/hrGze/ea78d8770c.png

To 5/6/7 seconds and 15/25/35% increases respectively

Aych PiiApr 27, 20152 votes

In this case, "Broken" means that the thing that makes them unfun to play is a fundamental part of their kit that can't just be nerfed away. Hecarim and Sejuani are only unfun to play against because they're strong right now, nobody had a problem with them back when they were both just subpar junglers.

kile147Apr 26, 20153 votes

I hate playing against Irelia, but is she really OP? I could see her being broken since her kit is a bit overloaded, but I generally end up in a bad matchup against her so I can't tell if she's overpowered or if I'm just getting screwed.

Zed gets a lot of QQ and I think he needs some specific nerfs, but I don't think he's broken. Compared to a lot of champs he has more counterplay in his kit than most and I think that with some slight tweaks he could be fine. (Less safe laning phase -> Less fed Zed mid/late game -> Less dueling potential and insta-deletion)

ChickenWrapApr 26, 20152 votes

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I hate playing against Irelia, but is she really OP? I could see her being broken since her kit is a bit overloaded, but I generally end up in a bad matchup against her so I can't tell if she's overpowered or if I'm just getting screwed.

Zed gets a lot of QQ and I think he needs some specific nerfs, but I don't think he's broken. Compared to a lot of champs he has more counterplay in his kit than most and I think that with some slight tweaks he could be fine. (Less safe laning phase -> Less fed Zed mid/late game -> Less dueling potential and insta-deletion)

Zed needs an early-level Q nerf and the bonus AD removed from his W. Potentially also a tether range to be re-added to his ultimate.

kile147Apr 26, 20154 votes

I think his Passive should not work on minions, and his Q should be changed so he can't use it to farm as well (the damage to champions early game is fine).

The point of his bonus ad is to make his AA more powerful, since they can change the scaling on his abilities to match the bonus AD. I actually think they should increase the bonus AD and decrease his scaling more, so that he has incentive to stay and AA his assassination target instead of just dumping his abilities on them.

HIs ult wouldn't need a tether if he had to stay longer to charge it up. I find my biggest peeve with it is that even though it is highly telegraphed you can't stop his damage because using animation cancelling he can dump all of his abilities on you in a fraction of a second. As a support this is annoying because even though I know where he's going to be he can actually use all of his abilities before a single one of my targeted abilities hit him. If instead he had to stay to auto attack his target more than once he'd be easier to hit.

DivewingApr 26, 20156 votes

Blitzcrank Too much power frontloaded onto pull

Raja ChachkiApr 26, 20154 votes

Blitzcrank his Q hitting means his E will hit, meaning his ult WILL hit, and for me the lane is unfun because I completely have to focus on dodging Blitz's Q. I love her, but her ult makes me cry when I'm on the receiving end. Zed 'nuff said