"Vel'Koz Only Brings Damage"- Riot

ACENOX·Jan 8, 2016·7 votes·1,612 views

What about , his kit is full of damage and pros only picked him when he was overpowered and broken.

If you changes vel'koz because we don't have reasons to pick him, darius also has no reason to be picked.

22 Comments

AhristocatsJan 8, 20166 votes

Darius ulti should kill trynd even if he ulti, that would give a reason to pick him

Best princess EUJan 8, 20161 votes

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ulti should kill trynd even if he ulti, that would give a reason to pick him

then it would ignore Fiora Kayle Nocturne Sivir Zilean

would be broken

RebonackJan 8, 20163 votes

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then it would ignore

would be broken

No, then it would be a counter-pick.

ZzEslIolZQJan 8, 20165 votes

Stop listening to what Rioters say they just pull nonsense outta their ass to justify their terrible decisions. If you've been here since season 1 you'll have noticed just how many times Riot has 180'd on positions.

The Bearded BardJan 8, 20162 votes

I think you mean -Meddler. Just because one employee says something doesn't mean the entire company thinks that.

Best princess EUJan 8, 20161 votes

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I think you mean -Meddler. Just because one employee says something doesn't mean the entire company thinks that.

if he is new he must not have remembered his name

KingsgraveJan 8, 20162 votes

Darius isnt a mage

ACENOXJan 8, 20163 votes

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Darius isnt a mage

my bad, didn't know.

360D3GR3SSJan 8, 20161 votes

free 200 ad with resetable true damage while tanking isn't very common...it turns out to be pretty good.

KONO RUBICK DAJan 8, 20164 votes

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**free 200 ad with resetable true damage **while tanking isn't very common...it turns out to be pretty good.

you just said that he brings only damage

360D3GR3SSJan 8, 20161 votes

You forgot the WHILE TANKING part. He does this all while tanking and healing.

D357R0Y3RJan 8, 20164 votes

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You forgot the WHILE TANKING part. He does this all while tanking and healing.

doesn't matter

tanking and doing damage is what darius does like every one in the bruiser classe. He brings what a bruiser brings but has nothing special, and don't tell me "true damage" "200 AD" that's just damage nothing else, skarner while bringing damage/tankiness also brings to his team objective pressure+1.75 suppression that can be used to bring someone

Rock MDJan 8, 20161 votes

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doesn't matter

tanking and doing damage is what darius does like every one in the bruiser classe. He brings what a bruiser brings but has nothing special, and don't tell me "true damage" "200 AD" that's just damage nothing else, skarner while bringing damage/tankiness also brings to his team objective pressure+1.75 suppression that can be used to bring someone

He doesn't bring anything special.

He simply tanks harder and deals damage better than other toplaners.

If he doesn't he's not worth picking.

EDIT: ok I lied in terms of what Meddler is talking about Darius' special trait is his superdunks. No other bruiser resets like that.

360D3GR3SSJan 8, 20161 votes

And darius has far more damage than any other bruiser while also building ONLY tank. He also has a very easy potential to pentakill unlike many other bruisers. There is a reason pro's picked him and had success instead of picking skarner.

KONO RUBICK DAJan 8, 20161 votes

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And darius has far more damage than any other bruiser while also building ONLY tank. He also has a very easy potential to pentakill unlike many other bruisers. There is a reason pro's picked him and had success instead of picking skarner.

imo, like op said they picked him because he was so overpowered. In world showed more damage than darius since he was able to almost solo kill 3 guys against a darius in a game, while bringing mobility and a same lvl of tankiness but renekton also brings a cc and armor pene TO THE WHOLE TEAM, not only for darius.

360D3GR3SSJan 10, 20161 votes

I don't consider renekton to be as tanky as darius. Even when fully built. Darius can afford to build tanky at any stage, renekton cannot (if he wants to be of any use) because his cc also stun himself unless he builds hydra which means he is already lacking in the tank department. The only time renekton really gets tanky is post 16 with the 800 hp from his ulti.

DropFillJan 8, 20162 votes

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You forgot the WHILE TANKING part. He does this all while tanking and healing.

He tanks by healing actually. Darius has nothing besides his heal that actually makes him good at tanking

Spaceman5pffJan 8, 20161 votes

Tanking comes in 2 parts imho:

absorbing damage effectively (healing with q)
presenting some kind of threat to the enemy such that they need to kill you rather than ignore you (dealing metric f***loads of damage)

This is why certain champions build tank, and others don't! If you can't present a threat by building tank items, then there is no point to being a tank!

Sure darius isnt the best at STRICTLY tanking, but that is bc much of his power budget is spent on damage and zone control.

What Darius brings to the table for a team, is a strong early game and (due to the range on his Q and E) a ~1100 unit diameter circle of death that zones enemy carries.

That circle is a 550 unit radius. 550 range is pretty common for ADC range. Give that about 50 units leway either side for ppl like lucian and caitlyn / ashe and what it means is that any carry that tries to autoattack him is in IMMEDIATE danger of being killed.

1100 units is a BIG zone of denial. Darius brings a bit more than damage to the table.

The Sword SaintJan 8, 20161 votes

Darius is a lane bully toplane melee counterpick that gets kited harder than usual. He brings an almost auto won top lane, a hook, and a damage threat that you can't ignore or blow up to the table due to his ability to build full tank and still deal damage. He functions like a zoning front liner who even zones other frontliners.

He's not mid range poke+waveclear mage with an aoe teamfight ult # 7. Besides, the point of the riot post was that velkoz feels unique to play but the situations where you would pick him vs picking anyone else are minimal because he performs the same role as many other mids. That's not in itself a bad thing, but if they're going to do a pass on immobile mages to try and make them each more distinct, vel has a lot of interesting themes and potential to be differentiated through his knowledge/eyeball features so that maybe you'd pick him or lux or ziggs or brand etc. based on an actual strategic need and not on personal preference for playing a floating eyeball character.

XIII VanitasJan 8, 20161 votes

Vel'Koz has some unreliable cc and a lot of damage, but that's what makes him fun to play and balanced. Once your E is down, you can be dived easily. If you ult, you can't move. He has nice frames of power.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 8, 20161 votes

And why on earth are you comparing two different champions with totally different roles?

Usually in heavy teamfights, assuming this guy doesn't build Rylais, all Velkoz gets to do is to hope that he managed to land his E on most enemy champions, pray that his Q will hit at least 2 champions, and then uses his ult which deals damage only throughout the teamfight, unlike:

where she can ults in the middle of teamfights & Zhonyas.
where he can make a proper 2-man stun & an AoE Zhonyas which can catch off enemies.
as a mid laner, he can deal AoE slows by dashing his soldiers around, and is able to change the battlefield's terrain with his ult.

Rock MDJan 8, 20161 votes

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And why on earth are you comparing two different champions with totally different roles?

Usually in heavy teamfights, assuming this guy doesn't build Rylais, all Velkoz gets to do is to hope that he managed to land his E on most enemy champions, pray that his Q will hit at least 2 champions, and then uses his ult which deals damage only throughout the teamfight, unlike:

where she can ults in the middle of teamfights & Zhonyas.

where he can make a proper 2-man stun & an AoE Zhonyas which can catch off enemies.

as a mid laner, he can deal AoE slows by dashing his soldiers around, and is able to change the battlefield's terrain with his ult.

"Vel'Koz can only hope to land his AoE CC and if he doesn't all he does is deal ONLY DAMAGE in a teamfight."

I agree. Buff Viktor. You can only HOPE to land his W and if you don't land that or his skillshots all you do is R in a fight and deal only damage. OMG.

That's some shit logic.