Project Ashe is a P2W Skin
Now I think this skin looks badass as hell, but you really outdid yourselves with the "covert" theme Riot. I can barely see her ult when it's flying towards me and on top of that it's hard to tell apart from her Hawkshot.
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100% agreed. Not only is the ult particle so similar to her Q autoattack particle but the hitbox is very misleading.
How? Her hawkshot is a little helicopter and a her ultimate is a bigass blue electric arrow. If anything it's easier to see.
One thing I do like about the skin tho is how the aoe of her ult is actually visible.
When I have spectated games with the new Ashe skin present, it doesn't seem bad at all. However, when I've played in game against the new Ashe skin I totally have experienced what you are talking about. When you have split seconds to make decisions the particle effects are hard to differentiate. This is even more true if you are already in the middle of a teamfight or small skirmish. I have both flashed an E and ignored an R because of this.
I've only really seen it in ARAM, but her particles are damn hard to see there
The similarity between E and Ult, imo, is they have almost the EXACT same particles for their respective AoE aspects. Combine that with the light-ass-blue graphics and if you weren't paying attention to the drone incoming, when it explodes you could very well assume it was ult.
I can't see shit of her ult. It's way worse on ARAM too, I got hit by two entirely invisible-to-me arrows last game (hence why I'm here). I can't tell you what the arrow particle itself looks like at all. I don't get why it can't just be an electric--BRIGHT--blue pixelly arrow or whatever. Unless it is already. I couldn't tell you.
These issues are all compounded by the fact that none of her abilities look remotely like they do in any other skin, no sparkles or bird or ice arrow, so it really messes with your split second recognition. Basically like a new champion with invisible abilities.
As I understand it, it's even worse for Colorblind peoples.
Oh my god, I had an Ashe on my team and I could not tell the difference between her E and her R without voices on. Had to burn my Flash to secure the kills since I didn't realize she got an excellent stun off. I don't think the enemy could tell either because they got hit extremely easily every time.
I never had a problem telling the difference. I dont know man.
I'm colorblind, and Project Ashe's ultimate blends in extremely well with the grass on Summoner's Rift. The arrow is also very wispy looking, and that makes it even harder to see. I've been hit with so many ults from Project Ashe simply because I was unable to see them, especially when I'm focusing on something else. Please change the color, make it less wispy, or somehow more distinguishable for colorblind (or even non-colorblind) players like me.
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Hey folks!
Thanks for taking the time to point this out (and to everyone who upvoted/commented as well)! I'd be happy to follow up with the team on Monday to talk about this. ^-^
It isn't a P2W skin. If there are visibility problems, Riot is going to fix them. They've done it in the past.
Not the first time they've released a p2w skin (or should I saw p2w particles?), won't be the last I'm sure.
Dark Valkyrie Diana, Steel Legion Lux, iBlitzcrank, Pulsefire Ezreal, just to name a few (or at least they all had an advantage at one time, but their particles were clarified... eventually. Or in the case of PF Ezreal, its Q hitbox was eventually cut down to actually match the 'classic' hitbox, because for some reason PF Ez's Q could actually hit from further away). There's even more in ARAM, where lots of particles blend into the landscape (especially the snow-based ones).
Don't get me wrong, I don't think they're doing it intentionally, it's just half-assed testing and lack of foresight.
Yeap had the same thing last night playing ranked if the arrow comes from the fog you cant see them. LIke headhunter nidalee spears or the zac BUG that riot doesnt even know exist
Another I CANT SEE ASHE ULT post but yet I have no problem seeing the ult. I really just think this is a person to person issue and people might just need eyes checked..........
Am i the only one who has no problem with seeing this ult?
At least it's not P2Lose like Morde's skins.
King of Clubs, Infernal and Pentakill have a leash range while others don't...
Honestly, that's kind of the same thing that's always happened with Ashe, you never know if it's her Hawkshot or her Ult. It's kind of her thing. As for being able to see the ult, it's never really been a problem for me
It's similar to how Ghost Bride Morgana was when she released, except then it was her Q and her autos that looked so similar. They ninja-nerfed her auto projectile size so that it wouldn't appear as large as the Q projectile.
A similar treatment here on Ashe , where they change the look of Hawkshot, may be more acceptable than changing the ult arrow.
I think the problem is the transparency of the particle, they overdid it a bit so it merges with the background too much, the projectile itself is big enough but since it's almost white, it should be completely opaque.
how do you not see her ultimate? it's a big-ass blue arrow...
It's a mistake guys... It's not that they want to make Project Ashe a p2w skin bruh