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Is Gangplank finally safe?

Onwodori··2 votes·783 views

He's been nerfed.

A lot.

My will to play him is wavering because, while he's still definitely strong in capable hands, it's disheartening to main a champion that seems to get nerfed every single patch in some pretty harsh ways too. Riot keeps citing 'oh we want to keep the Deadman Down' when he falls behind but, trust me, he's not insane any more. Literally everything has been nerfed on him aside from Q's damage and cooldown and Ws heal, though W's cost and cooldown have increased so in a way it has.

I don't mind some nerfs, but this CONSTANT train of little piece of power being chipped off and some flat out LARGE nerfs is really souring my experience. As it is, I take him into the Jungle these days to avoid his early laning and when I lane I feel forced to take the life steal keystone mastery to help his sustain.

He's still strong but we're shaving his pirate beard real close right now. Another nerf might drop him off the face of viability.

Gangplank item 3070 Azir They know that feel.

-Onwodori

EDIT - also, Ivern is Bard with an EXTRA layer of troll to him, so that's a strong candidate for a new main.

16 Comments

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

As long as he has the bonus gold from his Q and him being able to abuse bandit he'll always be a problem unless he's gutted. You can be even in cs and be two kills up on him but it won't matter because he'll still have much more gold than you. The damage he does with his E and how easy it is to zone with them is also just silly and annoying to play against. If they removed the bonus gold from his Q and his abuse of bandit so you can actually put him behind then he would be good.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

they would have to make him better in lane. i mean. gp isn't the old late game gp. when tf had crit. he used to build tf ER and an IE and crit you for 1500 damage. now if he goes crit he has to get one or two zeal items. which means hes getting at least. 70 ad lost. since the old tf.

right now gp is a lot better in mid game than he is late game. its very hard to deal with adcs that lifesteal through your damage since u cant really crit for 1800 damage late game. the most you can go for is like 1300

Theorchero1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6ExRLeu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-09-25T19:29:50.236+0000)

As long as he has the bonus gold from his Q and him being able to abuse bandit he'll always be a problem unless he's gutted. You can be even in cs and be two kills up on him but it won't matter because he'll still have much more gold than you. The damage he does with his E and how easy it is to zone with them is also just silly and annoying to play against. If they removed the bonus gold from his Q and his abuse of bandit so you can actually put him behind then he would be good.

He effectively requires that you counter pick him.

Luckily, there's a range of champions with purposes that can accompish this.

Don't play a melee if you aren't Ekko or Riven, you will get stomped by anyone remotely competent with GP.

I cannot count the amount of times I've absolutely shit on Renektons and other melee bullies and Q their friggin face off for harass and 10 gold is hysterical. Range matchups like Kayle though are fucking aids.

That and Azir, but he's kinda trash now.

@ OP

GP is very much worth playing. If you play properly you can single handily carry a game if you have any kind of follow up with your team, but he's no longer freelo to the extent that he was; his free kill ticket at level 6 kinda isn't honored anymore with the nerfs to his ultimate. Honestly, his lvl 1 ult is fucking garbage atm. He still scales like a monster though.

Dreadlocks1 votes

Ya

Flaherty1 votes

I think he's fine, I was worried about the trinity force changes and later the nerfs to his ult but honestly he's still strong and still a very safe champion to play. I haven't done a lot of gp jungle but it's pretty safe to say that it's much weaker than top or even mid. Start mana crystal and sustain with oranges

Onwodori1 votes

[{quoted}](name=O Flayherty ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6ExRLeu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-25T19:24:28.556+0000)

I think he's fine, I was worried about the trinity force changes and later the nerfs to his ult but honestly he's still strong and still a very safe champion to play. I haven't done a lot of gp jungle but it's pretty safe to say that it's much weaker than top or even mid. Start mana crystal and sustain with oranges

Ah you'd be surprised. He can full clear with a Scuttlecrab to heal up going from Gromp down to Krugs. 60 AD with 10% CDR early is also surprisingly strong, and red smite turns him into a proper fighter rather than his weird battle mage status.

Go --> item 1412 item 3057 item 3158 and then into something like: item 1412 item 3078 item 3158 item 3053 item 3072 item 3033

Theorchero1 votes

{quoted}

Ah you'd be surprised. He can full clear with a Scuttlecrab to heal up going from Gromp down to Krugs. 60 AD with 10% CDR early is also surprisingly strong, and red smite turns him into a proper fighter rather than his weird battle mage status.

Go --> item 1412 item 3057 item 3158 and then into something like: item 1412 item 3078 item 3158 item 3053 item 3072 item 3033

That has to be one of the worst builds for GP I've ever seen.

GP is garbage jungle and if you take him there you are ruining his potential.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Riot really needs to get rid of his ability to abuse bandit, and we might be at a point where he's safe.

Onwodori1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6ExRLeu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-25T19:26:39.625+0000)

Riot really needs to get rid of his ability to abuse bandit, and we might be at a point where he's safe.

Shhh. He needs gold.

Onwodori1 votes

{quoted}

Shhh. He needs gold.

UNLESS you give him pack some gold generation or do a 'Applies *some on hit effects and spell effects because than AP GP would descend from the heavens once more.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Everyone does. That doens't mean we GP mains need to get 400-500 gold for poking a guy out of lane. Forcing him to farm with Q rather than harrass would make him a lot healthier

Theorchero1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6ExRLeu,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2016-09-25T19:30:41.144+0000)

Everyone does. That doens't mean we GP mains need to get 400-500 gold for poking a guy out of lane. Forcing him to farm with Q rather than harrass would make him a lot healthier

Even if I only got 3 gold, I'd still Q the enemy laner's face for harass so I have space to farm. Cutting it down to 3 though would limit the free gold he gets from it. ATM I can easily rack up 500-600 gold vs a melee opponent like Malphite.

AstroFerrari 1 votes

On a side note I've been trying Bandit on Fiora whom if she procs a vital, she can get away from most top laners rather easily and it hits for true damage. Then again that's probably something people could discuss in a whole other post.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

Not really. I expect 1 more nerf sometime in the next few months.

Sohleks1 votes

Kind of. Pros stopped playing him that much after his last nerfs. Not that I think he won't get some play.

If anything his ghostblade and maybe later down the line triforce are under examination.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

he will still be pick and ban in worlds and he will get nerfed again eventually.

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