Time to Get Rid of Eve's Invisibility

logique·10/13/2014, 5:10:33 PM·6 votes·1,059 views

**Edit: As for the downvotes - hopefully you can tell that I don't genuinely feel that removing the stealth is the right way to go but rather I'm pleading for some attention. However, if a red came by tomorrow and said we can make Eve viable but she'll lose invis vs the total silence we've had...well that won't be an easy call.

Yes, it is time to abandon her passive. However, it is not because it doesn't have a place in the game. Rather so far, especially in season 4, it has proven too much of a challenge to Riot in terms of getting it right. So convinced are the designers of the power of her "surprise" factor (which is actually weaker than Rengar's) that she has been tuned weaker than actual visible champions who have an easier time ganking lanes.

Khazix has more mobility and can actually play a dual role - assassin and aoe slow. Lee Sin as usual remains ever mobile and has a stronger early game. Etc

The bump in ratio on an already weakened champion with mixed damage (turn e back to magic?) hardly offsets an overall 25% nerf (I'll have to doublecheck that) on her Q. It resulted in terrible clear times (have you seen Khazix just jump on wraiths with a 2 combo and clear the camp?) and even worse sustain. How is she to get the gold to take advantage of her mediocre ratios with slow clears (relatively) and weaker ganks?

For an initiator with more impact see Jarvan. Going bursty? Step aside, Khazix is already in that chair.

I think the designers do an already fantastic job and creatively address issues that come up in the game. However this issue comes up over and over ever since the change and has not once been spoken about. I'd rather lose the invisibility for a viable Evelynn if its avoids simply olafing a champion and leaving her for a nebulous "later".

23 Comments

Raja Chachki10/14/2014, 12:31:44 AM2 votes

her stealth can stay, it's her ult that I'm completely underwhelmed on. It does like no damage with a weak slow.

s7efen10/13/2014, 5:14:08 PM2 votes

That's what Eve is, and she's been balanced around her stealth since forever.

You can't remove her stealth.

BastionKross10/13/2014, 6:38:32 PM1 votes

As long as she continues to have perma-stealth, the rest of her kit will be trash. She trades so much power for the ability to circumvent vision like that. It's one or the other; stealth all the time, or abilities that actually do something.

logique10/14/2014, 12:15:43 AM1 votes

bump

12tales10/14/2014, 12:18:18 AM1 votes

The bump in ratio on an already weakened champion with mixed damage (turn e back to magic?) hardly offsets an overall 25% nerf (I'll have to doublecheck that) on her Q. It resulted in terrible clear times (have you seen Khazix just jump on wraiths with a 2 combo and clear the camp?) and even worse sustain. How is she to get the gold to take advantage of her mediocre ratios with slow clears (relatively) and weaker ganks?

...what?

Eve's clear speed is insane. Head and shoulders above virtually every other jungler. Especially early on, she's finishing her second buff a solid ten seconds before Kha.

KzooCrasher10/14/2014, 2:55:46 AM1 votes

My two cents is Evelynn is squishy and a bit weak on her first clear but a few junlgers are. She is also one of the weakest junglers early as far as raw damage so she loses on invades and counter ganks. That being said she is the best ganker when the enemy is pushing in that scenario you'll either get a kill or a pink every bank. The problem is when they aren't pushed. She can't dive well and if she can't flank from behind or the side she doesn't have the cc to secure a kill. I love to play her. Hate to play against her but if you can't snowball your pretty screwed.

logique10/14/2014, 6:38:11 AM1 votes

@2Tales @Riot

Would you agree that her kit is a bit clunky?

Two types of damage (magic and physical). Her q spam wants you to build ad items and speed to kite and keep up. Her e wants you to build tanky so you can go in and tank damage in melee range. Her R is of limited usefulness the further down the fight - it wants you to initiate where as most assassin's are about clean up.

She can't well build last whisper and black cleaver is questionable nor is magic penetration bountiful for a hybrid. So she falls behind damage wise the longer the game goes as mr and armor go up.

Raptamei10/13/2014, 6:32:48 PM1 votes

Meanwhile Riki in Dota now has permanent invisibility as a non-ult skill and he's balanced.

How hard can it be really?