So the new Rylai's is downright DIRTY on Kayle.

Zalinthel·Jul 9, 2015·49 votes·8,279 views

So cool story, her E applies spell effects as an instant AoE. 40% Permaslow in an aoe bitches. Throw in Runaan's and you can kite entire teams.

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SH AzykanJul 9, 201520 votes

Kayle item 3116 item 3091 item 3115 item 3071 item 3085 item 1310 Wait, you wanted a fair fight?

AnomanderJul 9, 20153 votes

I prefer item 3153 over item 3071 also I don't get a Nashors. But that is me. Get a item 3135 and there goes 45% of their mr plus wits end plus runes and masteries

SH AzykanJul 9, 20155 votes

Nashors + cleaver is 40% cdr, so your E and ult are available pretty much whenever needed. Runaan, Wits and cleaver also allow you to shred everyone's resists on top of your passive rendering pretty much every defensive item built useless.

Rylai's was already good with the build, but now it is just stupid.

You either hard engage and focus/burst Kayle (keeping in mind her ult...) or she allows her team to just brutally shred yours while outputting good damage herself. I liked her before the patch...now she is ridiculous :D

CarryJul 9, 20155 votes

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Nashors + cleaver is 40% cdr, so your E and ult are available pretty much whenever needed. Runaan, Wits and cleaver also allow you to shred everyone's resists on top of your passive rendering pretty much every defensive item built useless.

Rylai's was already good with the build, but now it is just stupid.

You either hard engage and focus/burst Kayle (keeping in mind her ult...) or she allows her team to just brutally shred yours while outputting good damage herself. I liked her before the patch...now she is ridiculous :D

that build is bronze as hell. if you want to go on-hit kayle, build AS and magic pen, those are the stats she scales with.

devourer, nashors, wits, runaan's, sorc boots, void (cdr from glyphs/masteries/nashors)

if rylai's turns out to be good it can replace 1 of the above items, but don't use that god awful ultimate bravery build you posted.

SH AzykanJul 9, 20151 votes

I definitely didnt say it was her best build at all...this build is to shred resists of the enemy team...it is super niche if they have like 4 tanky champs (and the speed boots was because of the OP's comment on kiting)

devourer is jungle only...I play kayle in lane .-.

So the rylais could replace devourer in that case. Then the only difference between your build and this one is void staff and cleaver (and then boots, but I mean I would generally always build sorc shoes) And if the enemy team isnt building mr...Void staff + Wits is actually pretty reduced efficiency. Abyssal or even Liandry's would then be better than void staff in that case.

(and in case of a comment on the build being for tanks why am I not going void...cleaver makes my adc do more damage too and the phage passive and the cdr...making it actually extremely gold efficient granted your adc isnt behind)

But again, the build is niche.

Hyrum GraffJul 9, 20155 votes

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that build is bronze as hell. if you want to go on-hit kayle, build AS and magic pen, those are the stats she scales with.

devourer, nashors, wits, runaan's, sorc boots, void (cdr from glyphs/masteries/nashors)

if rylai's turns out to be good it can replace 1 of the above items, but don't use that god awful ultimate bravery build you posted.

His build isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination. He's not built to deal damage, he's built to shred resists and aoe slow the enemy team. You won't solo carry with this build but you will provide incredible utility for your team.

Although I agree that 3xAS items is overkill.

SH AzykanJul 10, 20153 votes

note that he has 4 AS items in his so lol

Even with my build you don't cap on AS, you kinda want it as high as possible to get out your shred stacks asap in a team fight.

And thank you for recognizing what the build is supposed to do :D

Vellich0rJul 10, 20151 votes

on hit devourer kayle. Oh god.

HellPainterJul 9, 20153 votes

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Wait, you wanted a fair fight?

Question, kayle is one of my mains. Is that the order you buy the items in?

Fear PopoJul 9, 20151 votes

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Question, kayle is one of my mains. Is that the order you buy the items in?

Don't buy those items, its a pretty awful build. Wits and Nashors are the only items there worth getting, maybe new rylais if its really that amazing now.

HellPainterJul 9, 20152 votes

I always like throwing in item 3124 , never see people using it but i think its pretty boss

Auz the RipperJul 10, 20153 votes

In terms of sheer stats it's one of the most efficient items in the game, it's just that only kayle and jax can use all its stats, and even then those two have more important items

chipi99Jul 10, 20152 votes

Warwick item 3070

Neo CyrusJul 9, 20155 votes

Pointless post since it helped no one and only caused rage, so I'm wiping it.

tfw youre a godJul 10, 20152 votes

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Neo CyrusJul 11, 20152 votes

Big words from someone who's clearly Elo boosted each season to G5 but can't hang and drops well into Silver MMR. I wonder what Rito thinks of your practice.

The difference between everything that's said is that what I said is flat out true. Angry Bronzes who don't want to take advice and some Elo boosted kid who can't hang with Silvers.

tfw youre a godJul 11, 20152 votes

lol im not the one who thinks theyre good because of their rank. youre not cool for bashing on people trying to have a normal discussion. please sit down and get over yourself

Neo CyrusJul 11, 20152 votes

Downvote spamming for trying to point out to them part of the reason why they're Bronze is not discussion and I'm calling you clowns out on it. Never ask for help again. Remain Bronze in silence.

I wonder what would happen if someone reported your boosted account to Riot? Can you even hang in mid Bronze? It's clear that the Silvers curb stomp you.

tfw youre a godJul 11, 20151 votes

yes report my account because youre butthurt that someone called you out on being an asshole lmao. its obvious youre just a child and cant handle a discussion about builds without making a fool out of yourself because of your ego. no one asked for your "help" and no one wants it

Neo CyrusJul 11, 20152 votes

You keep saying that strawman argument, there was no discussion. And you know you're boosted so stop pretending otherwise. It's clear you can't hang in Silver.

Funny how your previous post was deleted, hmmm, I wonder if it's because you were talking shit like now.

SH AzykanJul 11, 20151 votes

My deleted comment was somewhat out of line and I apologize.

I did however have a conversation with Neo in game. Hopefully this gets put to rest.

ZenBudSJul 10, 20151 votes

whoooaaa seems ridic..

BorblandJul 10, 20151 votes

item 3931

huehuehuehuehuehue

Maximum CanJul 10, 20152 votes

fuck this god damn item

FastAsHeckJul 10, 20151 votes

you forgot item 3931

SH AzykanJul 11, 20151 votes

I play lane Kayle, So I don't get the devourer XD Granted it is an incredibly overpowered item on her later, I don't think that justifies her as a jungler (If I am playing a carry jungler, it is going to be one that has high burst or at least some CC outside of a weak slow, so I can actually gank earlier)

FastAsHeckJul 15, 20151 votes

trust me its INSANE. afk farm for 20 minutes, around that time your team should be flaming you for not ganking. then come out of the jungle like a boss and 5 hit anyone.

SH AzykanJul 16, 20151 votes

I know it is good for her. But I feel like a good jungler is capable of making an impact early. Because otherwise you can get snowballed against and it doesnt matter how strong you are.

FrightningNov 16, 20151 votes

I've played Kayle jungle occasionally since all the way back in Season 2, it's always been good, and plenty relevant at every stage of the game.

EndlessSorcererJul 9, 20157 votes

item 3020 item 3115 item 3116 item 3089 item 3100 item 3135

Can't catch me now.

The floor is made of lava and my feet don't touch the ground!

NesmithJul 10, 20154 votes

Chilling Lava* - because Chilling Smite isn't enough.

XenerozJul 10, 20157 votes

You think it's insane on Kayle? HOW ABOUT SINGED THE KITE GOD? Especially since they practically buffed all his core items.

RottedApplesJul 10, 20153 votes

holy shit i need to do this

item 3933 item 3115 item 3085 item 3089 item 3135

now where should this go. item 3116 i feel like the enemy is slightly dead now.

SH AzykanJul 11, 20151 votes

it would likely replace rabadons. you'd be trading slightly less damage for the essentially perma slow and a little bit of hp

BeerOfRoot4843Jul 10, 20153 votes

Please no, any meta with Kayle involved makes me wanna shoot myself.

Celeste BenalJul 10, 20152 votes

Karthus : E. QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQR Penta-kill!

Can't kill the metal!

badoogaJul 10, 20151 votes

Too bad with the changes to stacking slows his W + Rylai's can't do a 100% slow...

MigrañaboyJul 9, 20151 votes

Didn't read anything about Rylais on S@20, what does it do now?

BottleCapsterJul 9, 20152 votes

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Didn't read anything about Rylais on S@20, what does it do now?

Basically its a stronger slow, and AoE spells proc the full slow just for a slower duration.

Its a monstrocity tbh, I'm really surprised they let it through like that.

MigrañaboyJul 9, 20151 votes

Sounds kind of good, but I expect at minimum a tradeoff?

TerchioJul 9, 20151 votes

The tradeoff is duration. It goes like this:

Single-target spells: 35% slow for 1.5 seconds --> 40% slow for 1.5 seconds AoE spells: 15% slow for 1.5 seconds --->40% slow for 1 second DoT spells: 15% slow for 1.5 seconds ----> 20% slow for 1 second They also had added: Summoned Minions(NEW): 20% slow for 1 second

~~Fairly certain on those except DoT. Will see if I can find it again real quick.~~ Edit: Fixed. Source: http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/q2694bqE-513-core-ap-items-pass - Don't know if it ever made it to PBE.

JamnonJul 9, 20151 votes

Ryze is going to be even more monstrous...

D2VincentJul 10, 20152 votes

Meanwhile, Karthus is all like "hey look, yall can't move while my E is up!"

(PS: My new Karthus build is item 3003 item 3027 item 3116 item 3157 item 3089 item 3020 )

badoogaJul 10, 20151 votes

Replace boots with item 3285 and if you don't need item 3157 for the defensive part, buy item 3151 instead for the extra damage it does with slows

DisasterSolaJul 15, 20151 votes

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Basically its a stronger slow, and AoE spells proc the full slow just for a slower duration.

Its a monstrocity tbh, I'm really surprised they let it through like that.

Someone hasnt bothered to read the changes.... Slows no longer compound.

You cant stack raylais 40% and, say, a 20% slow for 60% total; it will be the highest slow until its duration ends.

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To know at least the basic rules...It is AoE, so it is not 40%, it is 20%

Get your facts straight

Raylais was buffed so its 40% for all spells.

Hard PenetratorJul 9, 20151 votes

The question is will they hotfix some things or let all those op things go into lcs.

TheRainInSpainJul 10, 20151 votes

I can be slowed? MasterYi

SH AzykanJul 11, 20151 votes

while his ult in on cd yes...if it isnt on cd..well Kayle has some invuln time to shred you back too if she has hers :P

FrightningNov 16, 20151 votes

I wouldn't get Rylai's on her because she scales far better with AS items, and there some ridiculous on-hit synergy in the game atm. I would probably rush these items as core: item 3115 item 3006 item 3085 item 3124 (not necessarily in that order mind you). At that juncture there's lots of options as to how to finish your build based on how your game is going. You have high AS, so if they aren't stacking armor, item 3031 is good for DPS, so is item 3146 whether or not they have armor. You can itemize to counter health stacking with item 3153 , and item 3091 is nice for MR and more on-hit magic damage. item 3026 is never a bad idea for 5th or 6th item as well. Lot's of options to finish your build from that core