Anyone else think that Kled is overloaded?

tomibezdzeri·Jul 26, 2016·5 votes·1,238 views

He has:

Thresh Q but it pass through minions and its easy to land. Also deal bonus dmg to minions.
HP% Dmg + Attack Speed steroid.
Pistol shot that also grant mobility( i know some ppl dont see potential in this, but in pro play/higher ranks, ppl who play Graves use his ult to dodge skillshots etc.)
Double Dash.
Freaking better version of Sivir ult + Sion Lvl of initiation but with point click.
Also he is tanky with 2x HP Bars... I know you want to make complex champions but lately champs are overloaded.

IDK how ppl will play vs this lvl of mobility for real. I bet he will toy with non ranged top laners.

12 Comments

hsumis1oveJul 26, 20162 votes

Riot wants champions to be like that. More complicated caster stlye champs instead of more simple, auto attacking champs like yi, jax, etc.

ErockandrollAug 10, 20162 votes

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Riot wants champions to be like that. More complicated caster stlye champs instead of more simple, auto attacking champs like yi, jax, etc.

Let's be honest, How many flavors of AA champ can you actually have? Cause Riot already has a lot of AA focused Melee's, from Udyr, to Aatrox, to Volibear, to Olaf, to Yi, and Xin, (and may more) If you want simple AA focused champs, well, you have them.

And Riot needs the mechanics from ability usage for those champs to be balanced around, otherwise, they're a stats check. How do you add counterplay to a champ who's kit is designed to simply whale on their opponent until their dead? The answer can't be positioning, it's too finicky for someone with only melee reach.

Come to think of it, Kled doesn't even have that many abilities. He does have two different Qs, but his W is really only a passive with a cooldown. and his W and Ult don't even work when He's dismounted.

ReikkenJul 26, 20161 votes

I predict he'll need buffs after release

and then a few patches later he'll be violently nerfed

tomibezdzeriJul 26, 20161 votes

#Meanwhile 3 bans only.

RivuoJul 26, 20161 votes

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#Meanwhile 3 bans only.

You dont even have 3 banns.. You literally are forced to bann the same champions otherwise they'll plague your games.

Like remember swain and vladimir? You HAD to bann them. There was no iffs ands or buts about it. If you didnt bann swain or vlad you wouldve lost if the enemy team picked them.

Boom thats 2 banns there Oh malzahar boom 3 banns. Shit like that is dumb honestly.

tomibezdzeriJul 26, 20161 votes

Yup 100% agree. U forgot Hecarim...

ParoeJul 26, 20161 votes

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He has:

Thresh Q but it pass through minions and its easy to land. Also deal bonus dmg to minions. its his only decent damage ability.

HP% Dmg + Attack Speed steroid. Its his 'real' passive - and an integral tool to his bully. since kled IS a lane bully.

Pistol shot that also grant mobility( i know some ppl dont see potential in this, but in pro play/higher ranks, ppl who play Graves use his ult to dodge skillshots etc.) Why is this a bad thing? He has a base 285 MS.

Double Dash. And? theres nothing wrong with that, because you can only choose the direction of the first attack.

Freaking better version of Sivir ult + Sion Lvl of initiation but with point click. Hes a bruiser. His ult accomplishes engage (not escape like sivir) and the survivability to survive said engage. (sion doesnt need extra survivability because of his W.)

Also he is tanky with 2x HP Bars... Kled doesnt benefit from bonus health. Skarrl does. I know it says bonus health applies to both in the reveal, but in the actual game only skarrl gets the bonus health.

Kled is a successor to the renekton bar, he has a VERY good, renekton like kit with very clear strengths and weaknesses. He has a powerspike, but its once you get your Q to a decent rank and get your black cleaver.

SilverAthiestAug 10, 20161 votes

I completely agree with this, his kit feels so incredibly overloaded and random that it's unbearable to play against. In my opinion, one of the most overloaded champions I've seen released in league to this day.

ParoeAug 10, 20161 votes

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I completely agree with this, his kit feels so incredibly overloaded and random that it's unbearable to play against. In my opinion, one of the most overloaded champions I've seen released in league to this day.

How is is overloaded? o.O Hes got ONE hard CC abilitiy, a dash, an actual passive (because skarrl alone is more a mechanic and less a passive), and a utility ult.

SilverAthiestAug 10, 20161 votes

I'll put it this way, take a champion, any champion, and ask yourself this: "Can I build this champion 3+ different ways and still have relatively the same playstyle each build" If you answer yes, the champion is probably overloaded. It's because of the insane amount of components inside of their kit.

For example, Nidalee, Rengar, Zac, Fizz, Lee Sin, all of these champions have a very easy time building anything that they please in a game, while still doing so much in teamfights, 1v1's, taking objectives, etc. all because their abilities are strong enough that they don't depend on items to be good. So seeing a champion that can build straight up tank, and still shred the front line, or build AD crit and 1shot the carries while still being able to escape effectively through their passive, or build bruiser and do both, it's killing me. Not to mention his global pressure, back door potential, team fight presence, etc etc etc. riot did tew much

ParoeAug 10, 20161 votes

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I'll put it this way, take a champion, any champion, and ask yourself this: "Can I build this champion 3+ different ways and still have relatively the same playstyle each build" If you answer yes, the champion is probably overloaded. It's because of the insane amount of components inside of their kit.

For example, Nidalee, Rengar, Zac, Fizz, Lee Sin, all of these champions have a very easy time building anything that they please in a game, while still doing so much in teamfights, 1v1's, taking objectives, etc. all because their abilities are strong enough that they don't depend on items to be good. So seeing a champion that can build straight up tank, and still shred the front line, or build AD crit and 1shot the carries while still being able to escape effectively through their passive, or build bruiser and do both, it's killing me. Not to mention his global pressure, back door potential, team fight presence, etc etc etc. riot did tew much

Sir. Renekton. Let that sink in. RENEKTON. He was the poster child for top lane, the one who coined the term ' renekton bar '. He is the standard of balance for top laners.

Kled is not overloaded. He has, and let me break it down peicemeal;

A mechanic which defines him (courage and skarrl)
A Q1 which is his only real damage source.
An actual passive, which takes the slot of an ability.
an E which is a weaker version of a renekton slice and dice.
an ult which is a fantastic engage tool.
A Q2 which incentivises NOT losing skarrl.

thats... it. thats all hes got. Peoples complaints with kled stem from underestimating his damage while mounted and not actually respecting him.

VoidStaresBackAug 10, 20161 votes

Honestly, I'd say wait a couple weeks before drawing judgements on new champions. People need time to adjust to both playing them and playing against them, and only time will tell whether he is truly a problematic champion.

Also, as has been noted, Riot is moving towards champions with more moving parts because it makes them easier to balance and more interesting to play as and against.