Because even though i love the champion im not finding any situations where ivern was the best champion for the situation. ivern alone in his jungle carrys the threat of a lone janna. anyone can(and will) invade him just because they can, and late game when team fights become a mess of aoe burst he either dies instantly or is just useless.
All Skillzz2 votesi got ganked by ivern as ap ezreal and i double killed him and my laner lol. later in the game i was like 60% hp ivern landed his full combo is what i guess it was i went to like 40% then killed him lol.
Borkahn1 voteshttp://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2311504259/216589582?tab=overview
Here was my success. I didn't get kills but then again my kit isn't meant for kills, meant to support. Which I think I did that effectively....to an extent
All Skillzz1 votesnope. even vs nunu jungle he got invaded and killed by a nunu rofl.
Kledy McKledFace1 votes[{quoted}](name=All Skillzz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LmmwpKHQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-06T04:26:07.586+0000)
nope. even vs nunu jungle he got invaded and killed by a nunu rofl.
if only his shield scaled with ad... would make him very more viable
YuGiHo1 votesI think nunu may be a real counter for him.
sheldonbunny1 votesOnly playing him support at the moment. Managed to get three games with all the bans/people taking him jungle or mid.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2311285758/209494370?tab=overview
My best game so far. Still puzzling out runes, masteries, and build on him. Will be a work in progress.
Darth Sidiouss1 votesWhen i see him on the other team i say freelo.
Spoofghoul1 votesyea he feels incredibly weak
his basic range is too short and the windup too long, makes cs difficult and you are very prone to harass when doing so
only option really is to sit in bush and farm from there but still 3 hours attack windup so you still get a bunch of skillshots in your face for every attack
so it doesn't seem like a good idea to lane with sim so far
daisy's attacks heal enemies and knock you in the balls at least thats what she feels like game play wise oh and if she moves 2 feet away she gets scared like a little kid and immediately runs back useless rock can go back to being a blue buff again
ah yes speaking of buffs, this is the only good thing about ivern, insta steal double deal go with ur bud to steal 2 enemy reds als steal it at 142.5 seconds into the game because you can
other then that i find ivern pretty weak
the exploding shield is nice but kinda useless to attack people with since there isnt any controll over when it pops seems mainly usefull as a peel tool
the root is nice for juggernauts and the like, or sion passive. but its easy to dodge or can be blocked easy too. so it's not very reliable either
the bushes are a nice gimmick and wil work well with certain champs but making great use out of them reuiqres really good coordination just like the q and e which is kind of hard with strangers and even sometimes with friends
and daisy is just a useless brick
if i wanted to do something specific like enable a juggernaut id be better of picking zilean and giving them a 99% speedboost. If i want to shield people janna & lulu does that better. If i want to summon a big pet im better off picking annie, not only does tibbers actually deal damage it instastuns unlike slowpoke daisy but whatever daisy can stun more i guess, though she needs to hit things. Her damage is quite pitifull really, oh and with cdr tibbers can have perma uptime and it will revenge your death
the only real reason to pick ivern is the brushes he makes so rengars and garens can jump out of them
Hell Week1 votesyea he feels incredibly weak
his basic range is too short and the windup too long, makes cs difficult and you are very prone to harass when doing so
only option really is to sit in bush and farm from there but still 3 hours attack windup so you still get a bunch of skillshots in your face for every attack
so it doesn't seem like a good idea to lane with sim so far
daisy's attacks heal enemies and knock you in the balls at least thats what she feels like game play wise oh and if she moves 2 feet away she gets scared like a little kid and immediately runs back useless rock can go back to being a blue buff again
ah yes speaking of buffs, this is the only good thing about ivern, insta steal double deal go with ur bud to steal 2 enemy reds als steal it at 142.5 seconds into the game because you can
other then that i find ivern pretty weak
the exploding shield is nice but kinda useless to attack people with since there isnt any controll over when it pops seems mainly usefull as a peel tool
the root is nice for juggernauts and the like, or sion passive. but its easy to dodge or can be blocked easy too. so it's not very reliable either
the bushes are a nice gimmick and wil work well with certain champs but making great use out of them reuiqres really good coordination just like the q and e which is kind of hard with strangers and even sometimes with friends
and daisy is just a useless brick
if i wanted to do something specific like enable a juggernaut id be better of picking zilean and giving them a 99% speedboost. If i want to shield people janna & lulu does that better. If i want to summon a big pet im better off picking annie, not only does tibbers actually deal damage it instastuns unlike slowpoke daisy but whatever daisy can stun more i guess, though she needs to hit things. Her damage is quite pitifull really, oh and with cdr tibbers can have perma uptime and it will revenge your death
the only real reason to pick ivern is the brushes he makes so rengars and garens can jump out of them
play some shaco so you can get daisy down to her prime, she is not useless at all she can tank, knockup, engage, take down obj, she can play better than actual players bro.
Spoofghoul1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hell Week,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LmmwpKHQ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-10-06T08:48:22.305+0000)
play some shaco so you can get daisy down to her prime, she is not useless at all she can tank, knockup, engage, take down obj, she can play better than actual players bro.
thats because there are plenty of actual players dumber then a rock
Hell Week1 voteshttp://puu.sh/rzuIN/e834a796b1.jpg
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This champ is not for kills rather than to support your team, i lost those 3 games because my team had never played with a riven ( im so in love with riven i called ivern riven LOL ) and in one of them my adc went afk. i really like this champion, really forces people to get into that teamwork mindset. The more AP the better because daisy will only get stronger. ive lost 4 games out of 12 pretty damn good for me. ill get 4 tomorrow, maybe 5 because people will start trusting me more with that 4 banner i think. right now people talk to me like a baby like i dont know what im doing, and the enemy team does flame me alot, nothing new in league :P
Surr20plz1 votesI got smashed in lane.
YuGiHo1 votesRight, to all the people saying he isn't meant for kills and showing scores like 0/3/11 that great but, how was ivern a better pick than any other jungle capable champion. My point is that wile ivern offers a truly unique play experience I am still unable to see how Ivern in his current state is an optimal pick in any situation.
