Can we buff or really undo the nerfs to champions that got them because of their synergy with runeglave? First one that comes to mind is 
who was specifically targeted do to her runeglave synergy and inability to be played anywhere but the jungle, but really anyone not just eve.
disregardable32 votesOf course not. Riot Games strives to double and triple nerf champions outside of viability and leave them dumpstered for as long as they so desire.
OnanThaMan33 votesAll hail our overlord 
May he never fall out of Meta, or be considered sub-par.
Only Play Darius4 votesDon't forget 
They buffed the fuck out of him the moment his winrate tanked
runedara3 votesHe is sub-par. He has a 48% win rate overall.
Anidan14 votesGiven what they've said about their win-rate goals with higher skill-cap champs, that's actually pretty high for solo-queue.
IcyPepper1 votesYeah, maybe he needs the Azir treatment?
ok jk, I wouldn't wish that on any champion
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesAnd win rate lowers with higher play rates, but I wouldn't play lee even if I don't hate lee anyways so.
IcyPepper1 votesHIgh skill-cap.
50% win rate is considered balanced.
Pick one, Jesus.
Kyrtian1 votesThat's only because every paint chip eating Wood 5 player knows he's OP and plays him all day. Win rate can be a worthless metric because when something gets a reputation for being OP low tier players flock to it, dragging the win rate down because no amount of power can help a lot of those people
qetzel2 votesExcept in the case of Eve. They keep buffing her and end up having to nerf her again repeatedly.
Matezoide4 votes[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dGN34Mct,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-09T00:46:18.426+0000)
Of course not. Riot Games strives to double and triple nerf champions outside of viability and leave them dumpstered for as long as they so desire.
Unless they are popular and bring LC$ BIG PLAYZ!
Varindran8 votesI don't think eve and others will get buffed even when runeglave is removed, mainly because 
and 
have been barking up that tree ever sense they got nerfed because of their synergy with Cinderhulk. Seems they only give buffs to champs who use Warrior.
The Ecdysiast10 votes Blindness intensifies
Sire Hippington8 voteshow about waiting what the new item brings? Eve for example synergiese pretty well with ecco, she's all about spaming spells while moveing, building up the stacks damn fast.
The Quinndred1 votesHowever if she doesn't have the mana they nerfed away from her, because of runeglaive, she may not be able to use those spells.
Sire Hippington1 votesI'm certainly not against rewerting the mana nerf, in never though it was justifyed anyway.
Abyssphere4 votesIt would be stupid to buff champions because Runeglaive is being removed when they're introducing something else to replace it. They can look into buffing the AP junglers when they have assessed how good they are with thew new item.
SwapShadows3 votesor we could give eve an actual rework instead of her constant cycles of nerfs/buffs due to her disgustingly toxic kit?
Red Ryu3 votesSo for
UNIQUE – SPELLBLADE: After using an ability, your next basic attack (on-hit) deals 100% base attack damage and 30% ability power as bonus magic damage (1.5 second cooldown).
VS
New item introduced that replaces Enchantment: Runeglaive. +60 Ability Power +10% Movement speed UNIQUE Passive - Echo: Gain charges upon moving or casting At 100 charges, the next spell hit expends all charges to deal 80 (+10% of Ability Power) bonus magic damage to up to 4 targets on hit.
Idk, for Raw burst it will still work with Eve, what she does lose out on is sustained damage depending on how fast she an refill this. Runeglaves helped her in long term fights since she can proc it a lot, even early on.
What does she lose? Spellblade passive and 10% CDR. What did she gain? 20 AP and 10% movement speed.
20 AP means she will gain 27 more damage on her abilities per cast, 33 at level 9.
Typical Evelynn runepage for most people is,
Flat AD reds. Flat AP Blues Flat Armor Yellows Flat AP Quints.
25 AP from there about, .83 per level from masteries usually. And she will have Thunderlords or Stormraider , most likely Thunderlord. 80 base damage + 10% AP from that item On spell cast Two more hits and she gets thunderlords proc'd. It's own base and scaling off her stuff.
New one gives her better sticking power and stronger upfront burst, til later in the game when runeglave catches up with the spell. New item is a stronger in slot item than runeglave outside of the passive part which is still mixed on strength in different areas.
I think she will like the 10% MS more overall to slip in faster than before and she will have more upfront burst.
I don't think this will nerf her honestly, if it does it won't be much. 20 more AP and now 10% MS means she is harder to shack off and her roaming is way stronger.
The biggest hit is her sustained damage from this, but it won't hurt as bad given how this items helps her spells do more damage. Recent buffs to the cunning tree will also help her a little bit.
If it really turns that unappealing to her, it might open up 
builds again. I've mostly gotten into Eve at the end of the season and this is what I have looked at so far and have played her as my main jungler for a while.
I don't think this is hurt her that much if at all, since she is also gaining from new changes as well.
Dessem1 votesRuneglaive had 30% AP scaling vs Echo 10% AP scaling. AP Evelynn lost a lot of scaling and has to build Lich Bane to get it back again. Not sure if she wins by now being able to build Lich Bane, or if it's a loss to her.
Red Ryu1 votesRuneglaive had 30% AP scaling vs Echo 10% AP scaling. AP Evelynn lost a lot of scaling and has to build Lich Bane to get it back again. Not sure if she wins by now being able to build Lich Bane, or if it's a loss to her.
Again, she gained burst over sustained damage and stronger ganks in terms of movement speed.
Lich bane is .75 base AD and .5 AP. It also 80 AP, 7% MS and 10% CDR. If she dives in heavy AP builds there is a reason to build it, her damage potential spikes up a ton.
Would she build it? Eh, not sure would lean on no in a tanky world.
New item is better than Runeglave til later in terms of raw first proc damage til she builds more AP/her base AD is higher than the base on this.
For most AP junglers, this new item looks better, Eve still will like it in AP builds.
It might compete with warrior but I am unsure if that would be her more popular build after this change.
Dessem1 votesAll right, I'll take your word for it. Wish I had access to PBE so I could test it out a bit, but I'll just wait warmly until live then.
Just when I got used to playing Evelynn in the pre-season, they change things up for her again. The only regret is the Mana cost on W, but no extra flat, raw Mana from building the jungle item until later.
I've always liked Evelynn's AP build more, though I build Gunblade on her now which provides more AP scaling and a slow to boot. :D
Terchio3 votesReally, this double/triple-buff/nerf stuff needs to stop. Someone 
needs 
to learn 
their 
lesson. 
... Here we go again.
FatTaco2 votesMay I have a source on this? I keep reading Runeglaive changes, removed, where are people finding this information?
GroundedEagle451 votesMay I have a source on this? I keep reading Runeglaive changes, removed, where are people finding this information?
Its on the PBE patch notes, just look that up
FatTaco2 votesOh just found it, okay. Now it's a Fiddlesticks Item LOL welp have fun Fiddle mains! Fiddle also getting an Ult CDR buff welp, say hello to Mage Junglers and again :D
Flyer Beast1 votes is WAY better off with cinderhulk than runeglaive, and he just might be the only APJG around if runeglaive gets removed.
Reason 1. Fiddlesticks Never uses an AA in the course of a fight, or a clear. Therefore wont proc spellblade Reason 2. Fiddlesticks doesn't buy many tank items in a regular game. Cinderhulk gives him something so he doesn't instadie. Reason 3. Cinderhulk Gives extra DPS To go along with his ulti.
Try 
and thank me afterwards.
Bruised Ego1 votesMay I have a source on this? I keep reading Runeglaive changes, removed, where are people finding this information?
The PBE shows information about the new item that will come in the next patch. Not the patch that hits in a few hours, but the one that's due on a few weeks.
AL0002 voteshonestly i dont know why riot want to try that...
= good item for ap caster jungler with empower ability like jax, ww, eve, etc
= good item for ap caster mid...
both items is good... no drawback or advantage...
now they want to replace it back to ap item again... i wonder why they cant keep old one and new item...
MrWasjig1 votesBecause Runeglaive shut out a subset of the already small subset of AP junglers. Make an AP enchant that works for all and we can all be happy and move on.
AL0003 votessound like you want to have one ad item too...
= AS dependent champion
= AD caster champion
therefore there should be 2 ap item for ap caster and ap with empowered ability...
Toa Innodence1 votessimilarly there should be a resistance based enchant for tank junglers maybe with some tenacity. I think they could have solved this by keeping magus and adding runeglaive.
MrWasjig1 votesThat's not what I was asking for but that's an even better idea. What I meant was, if they're making an AP enchant that works for ALL AP Junglers (and not ones that auto attack weave, like Diana for example) then we can all appreciate that.
But an even better idea is what you suggested. Having two of each type of enchant for each class of jungler.
Jbels1 votesI can't see them ever un-nerfing something
SirNewton121 votesThey are not removing runeglave, they are changing it's stats and affect so it can fit all AP jgers.
ltmetal1 votesI agree with this, but all I have to say is, get in line behind all the myriad other champs that got overnerfed due to synergy with an item that was later nerfed/changed.
YuGiHo1 votesBuff Eve 2015!
Autrah Fang1 votesNerf Eve no matter what!
honestly, i see no buffs for Eve in the foreseeable future. i would personally love any sort of Evelynn buff, but considering history, if they do buff her they'll more than likely nerf her again within 2 patches to make her even worse than she was without the buff.
The Loveless1 votesLol new AP item will be excellent on Eve.
Dominick Destine1 votesStop. Asking. For. Evelynn. Buffs. For the love of god. You people are going to get Evelynn nerfed down to Eve Tier again.
MrWasjig1 votesI think you're more likely to witness a planetary alignment than Riot back footing a change they've made. They didn't do it with Cinderhulk and it's nerfed benefactors, and they won't do it to anyone who was nerfed due to Runeglaive.
Because god forbid Riot admits they fucked up...like ever. Oh except for when it's something not even related to gameplay (The Ahri Statue).
Meep Man1 votesI dont see Evelynn not also being able to make use of this new item. Not to mention, as I have said it many times, she now has Guinsoo's.
Solidair31 votesI dunno, I think Runic Echoes will be very good on Eve. She loves movespeed and extra burst.
KANYE OBAMA GOD1 votesinability to be played anywhere but the jungle
What about Eve mid? My friend plays her there all the time and poops on people. Not to discredit you, she does need some nerf reverts.
Troll for Trump1 votesWell to be fair they are bringing back Fid, who's been out for roughly as long as eve, with a brief return as a support. Also more AP champs synergize with it(casters, offmeta picks). Runeglaive basically worked well on ekko, eve, and diana.
Diananmen Square1 votesEve won't be bad with an Echo item either.
Q with Echos seems pretty good.
Toa Innodence1 voteswelcome to the no compensation club:
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