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Warding and Support

IH8U2D34TH··1 votes·1,200 views

A few suggestions to make supporting feel less like herpes. First, can we get 1 ward with our basic support item. The issue I'm having is that champs like, Shyvana, Yi, WW, Udyr (and more) are doing solo dragons at 7 minutes, and I don't have the wards yet to keep vision on it. I know what your gonna say "it's the whole team's job", well guess what they barely have the trinkets to keep vision on their own lanes. Half the time I gotta ping the ADC to get him to ward river, because my trinket is on cooldown and they don't pay attention. Having Shyvana for example just take the dragon at 7 minutes, and hearing that sound, is oppressive. Every time it happens I just sigh knowing there wasn't anything I could do. I can't put my trinket out there because that leaves them open to blast cone into the river bush at bot and there are a lot of champs I NEED to keep the lane bushes warded against (looking at you pyke). Support really can't be running around alone in river early game doing that stuff anyway, you'll die. I NEED MORE EARLY WARDS!

Also, can you give the fully upgraded support item a passive 15% bonus to ward casting range. I can't tell you how many times I've died because I went to ward a bush and one of the 50 champions that can leap or cc at the same range I can reach to place a ward, jump out of the bush and get a free kill. I also can't tell you how many times I've had the whole team trash talking me because it happened. It is especially bad when your team is behind, you've lost your outer towers, you're trying to keep vision in your jungle, but doing so just makes you an easy kill, its very unsatisfying. If you don't take the risk you're letting your team down by not fulfilling your role.

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MalrothDragonia1 votes

Couple things, one, increasing ward range for supports is not gonna happen. There is a risk involved in going to ward alone, keeping track of where the other team might be is important, and is part of the general skill set to being a player, not just a support

Second, as to your frustration over dragon, couple recommendations, one is to help your jungle secure bottom scuttle crab, it gets your jungler more gold & xp, and will help you maintain dragon vision. Another tip would be to watch some pro games and see how they use their early wards, might help you with some clever placement that will both cover your lane and an early dragon attempt.

IH8U2D34TH1 votes

I agree with you, but I'm low gold, a lot of junglers just hug whatever lane they are duo with. Many don't do bot scuddle, or it's just to risky because of what champs we/they have. Leaving the adc alone to do it will often induce rage. This has been happening to me for a long long time. Half the time I cant even get my team to take free dragons/barons even when they are free, like 3 enemy dead, 2 top, lets drag, no one comes, or they take so long it's no longer safe and if we die I get harassed.

Like I said above, I usually pink tri bush, and then I have to trinket river bush so they cant blast cone or wall jump in undetected, leaving us blind to dragon. It's just a really ugly choice I have to make constantly.

Then there is the issue of scryers cone letting them kill my wards, or they kill my pink and just sit there. It leaves us blind and hugging tower.

I have so many games with jungle camping me, or 4 man ganks (that often just kill you even if you see it coming and retreat to tower) after they clear your vision the first time, you are blind for a long time. It doesn't feel good. I want to ward, but I simply don't have access to what I need to keep the vision I need, especially early. I actually miss being able to just buy regular wards (even though it was a huge gold sink for support).

Oleandervine1 votes

Fun Fact - Very few champions can get to the river bush without first passing by the dragon pit or the bottom side tribush next to the dragon pit.

Therefore, if you place a ward in the general area where the crab's speed shrine usually pops ups, that wards the dragon pit, wards that entrance from the upper side jungle that leads to the blue buff there, and it will give you plenty of warning for any junglers who may be trucking down the river for a bot lane gank. As I implied above, that will just leave the lower side tribush vulnerable, but very rarely do jungles actively gank from that bush, even if they control the side of the map it's on.

IH8U2D34TH1 votes

Any champ can use blast cone to jump the wall into your bush, and lets list a few champs that can wall jump or ult in, not to mention move at hyper speed where ward doesn't give you enough time (rammus + hecarim)

Common jungle Champs that jump walls Lee sin, graves, nidalee, shyvana, aatrox, camille, gragas, jarvan, jax, khazix, kindred, shaco, zac, sejauni

Mid laners that wall jump Zed, le blanc, ari, aeron sol, akali, kassadin, talon, ziggs

There are adc champs that wall jump corki, ez, tristana, lucian

Supports pyke,bard, rakan

then my favorite champs that cloak and your wards mean nothing Twitch, Evelyn, shaco

Then there are semi global champs that can show up like Twisted fate, pantheon, galio, nocturne

Then there is hextech flash, which i admit is rare, but aids when used well

Please give me more wards, pretty please.

Oleandervine1 votes

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Any champ can use blast cone to jump the wall into your bush, and lets list a few champs that can wall jump or ult in, not to mention move at hyper speed where ward doesn't give you enough time (rammus + hecarim)

Common jungle Champs that jump walls Lee sin, graves, nidalee, shyvana, aatrox, camille, gragas, jarvan, jax, khazix, kindred, shaco, zac, sejauni

Mid laners that wall jump Zed, le blanc, ari, aeron sol, akali, kassadin, talon, ziggs

There are adc champs that wall jump corki, ez, tristana, lucian

Supports pyke,bard, rakan

then my favorite champs that cloak and your wards mean nothing Twitch, Evelyn, shaco

Then there are semi global champs that can show up like Twisted fate, pantheon, galio, nocturne

Then there is hextech flash, which i admit is rare, but aids when used well

Please give me more wards, pretty please.

If someone is using the Blast Cone, they have to be pretty precise to land directly in that bush. Otherwise, a ward in the river by the pit will detect them.

As for the junglers and mids you listed, in the early game, where you're complaining a lack of wards - they don't want to be wasting their mobility spells to leap over a wall. They want to use their mobility spells to gank or get out of the lane, and they can't do that if it's on cooldown. So if they DO use their spells to get to that bush, you're going to have an easier time repelling them from the lane or killing them. The same principle holds true for every other champion you listed with mobility. The don't want to waste it to simply pop a wall into a bush that's probably one of the most warded bushes in the game.

Pretty much Eve is the only champion who can secretly get to that bush without blowing her mobility. But even then, she has to be level 6.

You get plenty of wards, and like I said with creative positioning of them, you can get more value out of them.

Lord Guan1 votes

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IH8U2D34TH1 votes

I generally put this guy in my tri bush, and then I only have a trinket to ward river. Keep in mind supports are poor, often on my first back I barely have enough to get my first upgrade on support item. I buy a lot of pinks, believe me. I am the top warder in 90% of my games. In long games, I often have warding equivalent to the ENTIRE other team. The issue with pinks is you are super poor, and you often have to make choices like do i get boots or a pink. Then they kill your pink and you have nothing.

OtterlyLost1 votes

You can kill two birds with one stone by warding over the wall near the blast cone; assuming you're ranged or that you have a marksmen bot lane, you can pop the blast cone from river, preventing a jungler from popping over the wall into the brush. This ward also alerts you that the jungler is in the area and is pathing toward river and dragon.

IH8U2D34TH1 votes

This is still luck of the draw, you are hoping they take that path to dragon, keep in mind they can blast cone into dragon pit. I need a ward that sees the dragon, I simply don't have the wards to do it and keep my lane safe.

DontTouchMyBall1 votes

I wouldn't mind +1 early ward, but I just don't see that happening, ever. Specially considering that in higher elos it would really mess up some very early game junglers.

Meanwhile, one of the good things my support Orianna offers is a decent amount of vision with Her Ball. I'm able to put the ward faraway from the lane and still manage to ward our lane's bush or the river's bush with the help of Her reliabe pet, The Ball.

IH8U2D34TH1 votes

Yea, I found it much easier with zilien support. I can bomb from a nice range to check bushes, and I get the trinket cooldown rune to help (which it does). Zilien is really bad for some matchups though, and the trinket cooldown isn't very good on some champs. I just hope Riot puts some thought into vision. It's getting ugly bot lane.

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