Approach Velocity and Ingenious Hunter are in the wrong Keystone groups.

IH8U2D34TH·Oct 9, 2018·21 votes·10,301 views

The Domination Keystone is for burst damage and "target access" so why isn't Approach velocity (increases your speed towards enemies you slow) in the Domination group instead of in the Inspiration Keystone group?

Ingenious Hunter (lowers active item cooldown) would be more appropriate in the "creative tools and rule bending" Inspiration keystone and used with supports who often build redemption, shurelyas, Locket of Iron, or twin shadows.

Anyone else think these should be in opposite Keystones?

18 Comments

OznapOct 9, 201814 votes

Approach velocity also allows you to move faster towards impaired allies which makes it more of a utility rune. Ingenious hunter also requires you to take bounties in-order to benefit from the cool down reduction bounty system makes it more of a Domination rune.

You forgot to mention the parts of the abilities that make them part of the path they are in.

They could modify already existing runes to be added to additional paths but it seems they would need to make sure balancing for stacking types of runes doesn't get out of hand. Wouldn't mind if they added some copies into different paths though.

LTK KoRoOct 10, 20183 votes

Also synergy of Predator and Ingenious hunter is pretty obvious, they should be kept in the same tree.

Votable JesterOct 10, 20182 votes

What about the synergy of Glacial Augment and Ingenious Hunter? I want super low cooldown aoe slows on my items.

Silent ReaperOct 9, 20188 votes

There's tons of problems with the keystones. I even asked Riot devs last year at pax and the only thing they said was keystone paths shouldn't limit your bonuses too much (which is bullshit imo)

If keystones made sense the bonus healing rune from defense tree would be in sorcery or inspiration. The tenacity option in Precision tree would be in defense tree. Almost 1/3 of the runes are in the wrong tree.

TheSingularityOct 10, 20182 votes

I'd stick it in inspiration, then tanks and supports can get the rune without sacrificing beef/utility (if we stuck it into sorcery tanks would have to opt into that which is very sub optimal, like it currently is with it in domination for supports). Would then replace that random final rune in the resolve tree (the one that isn't bonus HP and bonus healing, y'know the one that no one uses?) and replace with a courage of the colossus copy (or make courage a primary rune and stick the tank/support rune in the final row).

NuggetMilkOct 10, 20181 votes

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I'd stick it in inspiration, then tanks and supports can get the rune without sacrificing beef/utility (if we stuck it into sorcery tanks would have to opt into that which is very sub optimal, like it currently is with it in domination for supports). Would then replace that random final rune in the resolve tree (the one that isn't bonus HP and bonus healing, y'know the one that no one uses?) and replace with a courage of the colossus copy (or make courage a primary rune and stick the tank/support rune in the final row).

Wasn't courage of colossus the shield u get when impairing an enemy? That's literally aftershock but a shield instead of resistances

TheSingularityOct 10, 20181 votes

It is indeed, but CoC scaled with health whereas aftershock scales with level, so you could have more effective health with CoC than with aftershock when we compare the 2

HäxelOct 10, 20181 votes

First there were the pathboni. Attackspeed bounded to Precision means that if Tanks wanted some, they ahd to get at least 2 unes precision. So tenacity is a nice option with either triumph or one of the %dmg runes. Or if a support wants to be tanky and have some health. There are even 3-4 healing and shielding runes in resolve with Guardian, Font of Life, Second Wind and Revitalize. If all that healing would be in sorcery even without guardian and second wind sorcery would be to much stacked And Nullifying Orb for exampel is a nice option as defense in the sorcery tree if you do not want mana or ultimate movementspeed.

With pathboni get seperated next season sure there falsl reason off to go other paths but still it helds off meta open. And maybe the marksman in precision also want sometimes tenacity (in resolve Unflinching also gives tenacity) or people with sorcery a defense option.

Daddy AntsOct 9, 20186 votes

Approach Velocity is more of a utility rune.

Nullifying Orb should be in Resolve imo. Nimbus Cloak should be in Domination. Ultimate Hunter should be in Sorcery. Presence of Mind should be in Sorcery.

Legend: Tenacity should be in Resolve.

NuggetMilkOct 10, 20182 votes

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Approach Velocity is more of a utility rune.

Nullifying Orb should be in Resolve imo. Nimbus Cloak should be in Domination. Ultimate Hunter should be in Sorcery. Presence of Mind should be in Sorcery.

Legend: Tenacity should be in Resolve.

Ultimate hunter used to be in sorcery. They called it the ultimate hat. Then they replaced it with stupid nimbus cloak

Daddy AntsOct 10, 20181 votes

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Ultimate hunter used to be in sorcery. They called it the ultimate hat. Then they replaced it with stupid nimbus cloak

I'm aware, I miss ultimate hat.

Maybe I should of reworded it to "Ultimate Hat needs to go back to Sorcery"

TekkenPlayerOct 9, 20183 votes

approach velocity > ingenious hunter

Buffing assassin keystones is a no-no

Lets have shrexOct 9, 20182 votes

Nimbus cloak and Nullifying orb in Sorcery, because taking Nimbus cloak on Velkoz is totally gonna help me

Seer of MindOct 10, 20181 votes

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Nimbus cloak and Nullifying orb in Sorcery, because taking Nimbus cloak on is totally gonna help me

Nimbus Cloak procs AFTER channeled ultimates in case you didn't know

Daddy AntsOct 10, 20181 votes

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Nimbus Cloak procs AFTER channeled ultimates in case you didn't know

Still, how is the rune going to be useful to a Vel'Koz.

It's more of a Rakan, Kha'Zix, Vayne, Kai'Sa rune tbh

mack9112Oct 10, 20181 votes

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Nimbus cloak and Nullifying orb in Sorcery, because taking Nimbus cloak on is totally gonna help me

Nimbis cloak has saved me a bunch as vel