I like how now GA is only attractive to ad champs.

xWaters·Apr 7, 2017·2 votes·887 views

So fuck the mages, supports, and tanks that would be looking for a GA during a long game who also would like to benefit from stats from the item. Good going

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20173 votes

well its similar to item 3157 where its meant for mages and gives ap,cdr , armor and an active status to keep you from dying...

now item 3026 is an ad armor item that geared towards ad champs

whats wrong with that ?

Trap or a TrickApr 7, 20172 votes

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well its similar to where its meant for mages and gives ap,cdr , armor and an active status to keep you from dying...

Never thought of it like that, LUL. Good point sir

xWatersApr 7, 20174 votes

Mages have one AP + armor item. AD champions get Maw which provides a shield and lifesteal, they get Edge of Night, Mercurials (helps against the cc of mages), and now they will be getting guardian angel dedicated to them? I don't think so.

GeshultzApr 7, 20172 votes

Aye and mages are getting item 3102 dedicated to them making it a better all around MR item for mages instead of abyssal's niche for a couple mages.

Silly NeekoApr 7, 20171 votes

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Mages have one AP + armor item. AD champions get Maw which provides a shield and lifesteal, they get Edge of Night, Mercurials (helps against the cc of mages), and now they will be getting guardian angel dedicated to them? I don't think so.

item 3157 item 3190 item 3060 item 3512 item 3027 item 3151 item 3003 item 3102 item 3152 item 3107 item 3800 item 3504

To target some tank/support/mage items that you may have overlooked

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

mages get item 3001 item 3174 item 3151 item 3165 item 3089 item 3027 item 3116 item 3135 item 3285 which they get all kinds of passives and extra stats from that ad champs cant use...

you can legit get 500 ap as a mage and have 2500hp have mr , armor , active of hour glass and burst, and magic pen ,cdr item 3089 item 3027 item 3135 item 3157 item 3001 item 3020 120 ap (+35%) 500hp, 400 mana, 100ap, 80ap 35% magic pen, 70ap 10cdr, 45 armor , 60ap, 60mr 10 % cdr , 15 magic pen

for 580ap from items. 500hp 400 mana, 35% magic pen + 15 magic pen 20% cdr 45 armor , 60mr plus the passives of item 3010 to give mana and hp based on casting spells and taking damage, the active of hourglass, the passive bonus damage of abyssal

so lets take a champ like Swain who would run 8 flat magic pen reds, 9 armor seals 3 ap quints and scaling cdr blues for 15% cdr at lvl 18 and his base stats of 2046 hp 1173 mana 91 armor and 30 mr at lvl 18

we have a total of 601 ap, 35% cdr at lvl 18, 23 flat magic pen + 35% magic pen 2546 hp, 136 armor 90 mr plus the active of hourglass, passive of abyssal, the passive of catalyst with out masteries

mages are so oppressed with their range too...

what do adcs get ?

xWatersApr 7, 20172 votes

Congratulations you just listed out all of the mage items? Waste of time. What would you like me to prove by listing out all the AD items? And are you trying to imply that a Zed can't get 2500 hp with plenty of AD and MR?

SchàdenfreudeApr 7, 20171 votes

Are you implying Zed is going to build Maw, Mercurial Scimitar, and Edge of Night all at the same time?

You must be on some strong drugs.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 7, 20171 votes

For stingy Zed players going 0/12/5 against an AP Soraka mid, they'll HAVE to at some point.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

you wanna go there ok

lets do it

zed lvl 18 stats 1939hp 113 ad 86 armor 53mr

let say he builds

item 3071 item 3053 item 3814 item 3158 item 3153 item 3036

he would have a total of 1939 +800 hp for 2739 hp 306 ad 30% cdr 88mr 86 armor + 45 % bonus armor pen, up to 30% armor pen 15 lethality 15% life steal

and lets say he takes 3 ad quints and 9 lethality marks 9 armor and 9 flat mr blues for 7 ad, 14 lethality 12 mr

we end up with

2739 hp 95 armor, 65 mr 30% cdr , 12% life steal 313 ad 29 lethality , up to 30% armor pen, 45% bonus armor pen, the % damage from bork, and the bonus damage of last whisper

so swain has more armor and mr, an active to protect him from zed's all in, more hp regen, mana regen, more cdr, similar penetration and more raw damage.

xWatersApr 7, 20173 votes

Zed is mobile, swain is not.

GeshultzApr 7, 20172 votes

Yup and swain has a snare+ slow and sustain in his kit. All champions have trades offs and strengths.

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Exactly so why is this clown listing off a swain build like it means something

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

you call me a clown? now you wanna insult me ?

i was making a comparison based on your rant over the new GA... where mages have all kinds of items to give them all kinds of stats and still do damage... adcs really dont... they have all damage

then you bring up zed and i proved that swain is still tanker and still has more damage

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Listing the items of mages proves nothing. Cool, they have health. They're not mobile and squishy. Like jinx, for example.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

jinx ? isnt a mage...

jinx is meant to be inmobile and squishy that is the downside to be a hyper carry

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Oh my god. No one is calling jinx a mage, I'm saying that both mages and ADCs ARE squishy and immobile and that is why GA shouldn't be only reserved for AD champions. And seriously, not all mages build ROA, liandrys, and rylais (offers abysmal health). So you're whole deal with mages having a big health pool is flawed.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

not all mages are squishy

sooo there goes that argument

but its not reserved for AD champs it dotn say you cant get it on other classes

and mages already have hourglass

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

The new build makes it INEFFECTIVE on anyone else besides champs with AD scalings. And why does everyone point out hourglass. Let's not pretend that ADCs don't have plenty of good items.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

all classes have good items

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Trap or a TrickApr 7, 20171 votes

I'm indifferent to the changes, I'm sad I cant buy it on mages, BUT no more %%%%y ass full tank zacs with it :D

TheHappyReaperzApr 7, 20171 votes

It was originally intended to be an ADC items. Its actually one of the few cases were it wasn't ADCs ruining an item.

Colton147Apr 7, 20171 votes

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It was originally intended to be an ADC items. Its actually one of the few cases were it wasn't ADCs ruining an item.

People use ADC items all the time. ;)

(Crit is a great example.)

TheHappyReaperzApr 7, 20171 votes

Who uses Crit that it wasn't designed for?

Mecha MaIphiteApr 7, 20171 votes

Why would I ever buy a GA on a support when I can easily get a cheaper utility item that's way more useful?

chipndip1Apr 7, 20171 votes

Supports shouldn't be getting GA...

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Would you be opposed to GA instead of boots in a long game? 50+ min? Notice how I said in the original post "during a long game". Sell the boots. Don't give me your "..."

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

if you have no movement speed items why would you sale boots for a GA that dont give you movement speed ? later in games map movement and rotations are more important for securing objects if you are slower then enemy you are at a disadvantage

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Oh Christ cloud drakes exist, movement speed quints. And this is where you contradict yourself. Some ADC's sell boots for a GA in situations where they are bursted and taken out almost immediately. Are you trying to say because of map rotations during the late game (where death timers are longer) that an ADC shouldn't buy a GA?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

who da fuk runs MS quints ?

and drakes are random you cant count on that

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Ok no GA for jinx

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

you do release everything thing you do has a pro and con to it...

if you get GA then you most likely arent getting alot of MR on a champ with a GA

therefore it wont protect the user of GA vs magic damage therefore is a indirect buff to mages being able to do damage to people with a GA

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

People buy it for the revive

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 7, 20171 votes

that passive is going away/ being redone

and it has a 300 sec cd

300 not 90

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Where do you see that? I read on surrender20 the four second statis is still there upon taking lethal damage.

MissingKayoApr 7, 20171 votes

You don't need or deserve it.

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

Oh ok

BeatzBoyFTWApr 7, 20171 votes

Well Tanks got all these new items that favors them more, along with the reworked Abyssal Scepter which favors towards tanks that deals AoE damage around them like Sejuani.

Supports are already protective of themselves as for Mage Supports like Janna/Soraka/Malzahar(?), they will be building pretty much a lot of protective items like Locket & Redemption, and Tank Supports like Braum/Alistar are already pretty resilient to most damage due to their damage reduction kits.

RequiemsfireApr 7, 20171 votes

Build it as a last item on every single champion regardless of class.

xWatersApr 7, 20171 votes

The build bath was changed to now include AD. Makes stats unattraciltive for champions besides AD ones. Before, the armor and mr was at least appreciated by everybody.