Why do I get +16-18 lp when I win but -21 when I lose?

Ah 9h 7cch··2 votes·5,544 views

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Kinkou Order2 votes

Because your MMR is below what your rank is.

Win more than you lose and you will get more from a win than you lose from a loss.

Ah 9h 7cch1 votes

What the fuck are you talking about? That's completely wrong. I have a fucking 50 percent win rate. I had a 48 percent last season and got more lp than what I get now. My mmr is silver 2 and I'm silver 3.

Kinkou Order1 votes

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What the fuck are you talking about? That's completely wrong. I have a fucking 50 percent win rate. I had a 48 percent last season and got more lp than what I get now. My mmr is silver 2 and I'm silver 3.

It is what it is, not what you want it to be.

TheThundersRoar1 votes

Nope, he's right. Go to na.op.gg and look at your match history. Most of your teammates and enemies are Silver 4-5, some are even Bronze.

You have a Silver 4-5 MMR. You are Silver 3. Therefore, you lose more LP than you gain, until you either win enough to prove you're Silver 3 or succumb and go down to Silver 5.

Also, maintaining a 50% winrate at Silver 5 MMR doesn't mean you're Silver 3 :)

Ah 9h 7cch1 votes

Explain to me why op.gg tells me I have silver 2 mmr then. While you're at it, explain to me why I'm being matched with/against people worse than me.

TheThundersRoar1 votes

The op.gg MMR isn't your real MMR, it's a guess. The real MMR value is hidden and isn't accessible via League's API.

This guess can be right, but it can also be horribly wrong, like in your case. The best way to estimate it is to look at who you tend to play with/against.

Regardless, I suggest that you simply ignore your LP losses/gains and play to improve, as you should be trying to do that whether you're plat or bronze. Your rank is just distracting you for now. Focus on improving, then you can start to turn your MMR around and climb to gold.

TheThundersRoar1 votes

Also, you're not being matched with people worse than you, people in League get matched by their MMR, regardless of their rank. I'm guessing you went on a bad loss spree at some point, due to tilt and/or bad luck, which dropped your MMR. So now you're playing with Silver 4-5 players. They aren't necessarily worse or better than you, they're just of equal MMR to you.

If you want to prove the system wrong, keep winning and increase your MMR, and you'll start to play with higher-ranked players. If you can't do that, the system will be right, and your high LP losses will eventually force you down to Silver 4-5, where your gains and losses will go back to equal.

Ah 9h 7cch1 votes

The last large "loss spree" was at least 30 games ago. How much longer? My win rate was below 30 percent, now it's right at 50 for the first time ever. In previous seasons, my win rate was always somewhere between 46-48 percent, and I never lost more LP than I gained. In fact, in preseason, losses would net me -10 to -12 and wins would net me +18 to +20.

Phelas1 votes

Your visual rank climbed faster than your MMR. I'm assuming you were once at Silver 5 0 lp after your lossstreak and probably lost a few more, but didn't demote. Once you started to win, you visual rank climbed faster than your MMR (which was below Silver 5 for obvious reasons.). So, you basically climbed faster than your MMR is able to keep up with. Play more. It will even out sooner or later.

Ah 9h 7cch1 votes

I'm assuming you were once at Silver 5 0 lp after your lossstreak and probably lost a few more, but didn't demote.

I don't believe I was ever silver 5 on this account. I feel like duoing (although it was only 3 games) with a bronze player may have screwed me over. Still, that was many games ago.

Also, you don't have to keep assuming I'm a new player. I'm not. I will never be bronze again and I'm not bad enough to have bronze mmr. I would really have to try to be that bad now.

Phelas1 votes

Okay yeah, my theroy was wrong.

However, based on you match history, you get matched with people below your (visual) MMR, mostly Silver 5 and 4. I really have no idea. Maybe the game will tell you that you play where the system things you really belong. Not skillwise, but elo wise. Whatever that means for you.

Anyways, all you can do is win games.

FakersTiltedWife1 votes

Op.gg is not accurate only riot knows youe mmr.

Kinkou Order1 votes

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Explain to me why op.gg tells me I have silver 2 mmr then. While you're at it, explain to me why I'm being matched with/against people worse than me.

That is a third party calculation based on recent games won an lost and does not accurately reflect your real MMR.

edgy 13 year old1 votes

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Explain to me why op.gg tells me I have silver 2 mmr then. While you're at it, explain to me why I'm being matched with/against people worse than me.

because you are bad. op.gg is not accurate , it says on average whats your mmr , not your exact mmr. Play good , get more lp , easy.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Explain to me why op.gg tells me I have silver 2 mmr then. While you're at it, explain to me why I'm being matched with/against people worse than me.

... really are we doing this again... becuase op.gg MAKE ITS UP that is one of thier "gatchas" to try to get you to thier site... they also dont use NA data... at the stats on na.op.gg are from KOREA not from NA (in case u have never hovered over that little ? mark icon in the top right. they make some some excuase that "there isnt thjouygh data on na to get info so here is korean data) and they make up your mmr based on thier own little calculation.

just becuase u see "na" in the url. u dont read what the site actually says.

seesh how do people not know this by now.

dont use op.gg

there is nothing that can tell u your mmr.

if u want site that give accurate info try "league of graphs" and champion.gg

op.gg is a joke that has no relevant data outside of plat + korea.. which i HIGHLY doubt affect you or anyone who isn't challenger on NA.. and therefore anyone actually reading this post

dreadfulshadow1 votes

my mmr is higher, my win is more than my loss( four wins difeerence ), my kda is good and i still get that shit

dreadfulshadow1 votes

i win more then i lose i have 4 wins more than losses , yet i still have the same shit

dreadfulshadow1 votes

i have more wiins than losses (4) yet i still have the same shit, is there a specific difference that i should reach ?

D4M2X01 votes

because you lost a few games while at 0 LP or have a negative winrate

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Because when you win, it's not because of you played well. But when you lose it's all your fault.

This is truly what Riot thinks. Especially with matchmaking intentionally putting you with people on loss streaks if you're on a winning streak.

BIue Monk1 votes

Because matchmaking failed. Algorithm thinks you don't deserve your current ranking, but algorithms put you there. Shit design. Sorry for you.

Witty Trickster1 votes

i have the same problem i was plat 4 with mmr plat 2 and i still get 18 point when i win game with taric and 20 when i win with any champion else i dont know why

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