Garen changes

Sozan5··5 votes·1,139 views

Let's take a look here:

Base Stats: (Nerf) Health/lvl 96 >>> 84.25 (Buff) AD/lvl 3.5 >>> 4.5 (Buff) Armor/lvl 2.7 >>> 3.0 (Buff) Attack Range 125 >>> 175 Passive - Perseverance: (Nerf) Regen/sec @lvl16 2% max Health >>> 1.6% Q - Decisive Strike: (Nerf) Silence Duration 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 >>> 1.5 all ranks W - Courage: (Removed) 20% increased bonus Armor and Magic Resist (Added) Killing units permanently grants 0.2 Armor and Magic Resist (1 for champions, large monsters, and epic monsters), up to a maximum of 10/15/20/25/30 (Removed) Active Tenacity component E - Judgment: (Nerf) Base Damage per tick 10.0/22.5/35.0/47.5/60 >>> 12.0/16.0/20.0/24.0/28.0 (Buff) Total Attack Damage Ratio per tick 0.35/0.40/0.45/0.50/0.55 >>> 0.47/0.49/0.51/0.53/0.55 (Nerf) Base ticks per cast 6 >>> 5 (Buff) Cooldown 13/12/11/10/9 >>> 9 at all ranks (Added) Judgment’s spin speed permanently increases at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16, resulting in a total of 5/6/7/8/9/10 maximum ticks of damage per cast (Added) Cancelling Judgment early returns cooldown of Judgment equal to the remaining duration of the buff (Removed) Judgment no longer benefits from Critical Strike Chance or Critical Strike Damage (Removed) Garen no longer moves 20% slower while moving through minions (Added) Garen now moves 20% slower while moving toward champions he’s hitting with Judgment R - Demacian Justice: (Added) Passive: The enemy champion with the most recent kills is the Villain. Judgment ticks and basic attacks on the Villain deal an additional 1% of its max Health as true damage (Added) Demacian Justice now deals true damage to the Villain instead of magic damage

So, base stats are neutral with him having: Health: 200 less @18 AD: 17 more @18 Armor: 5,1 more @18

But the rest of changes might be the hardest nerf in League:

P: A minor nerf with his regen reduced in late. Q: Silence duration lowered by 40% (1 second). Pretty big one already. W: 30% Tenacity for 2/3/4/5/6 seconds removed. I don't think Riot realizes how huge this nerf is. The passive part was replaced with a stacking mechanism up to 10/15/20/25/30 Armor and MR received, with 150 CS required to hit 30. BUT! You won't be getting that till level 18, as W is traditionally maxed last (and from what I get, W won't stack until you level it up, so you will have to get that CS later on). So, you pretty much have 10 Armor and MR from passive for the most of the game, sweet (and even in late it's not gonna be any stronger than 20% you would be getting now). E: Base damage at higher ranks nerfed hard, AD ratio at lower ranks buffed. Amount of ticks reduced early and buffed late. Damage comparison:

Rank 1 Old Garen E: 60 + 210% AD New Garen E: 60 +235% AD / 120 + 470% AD at levels 16+ Rank 5 Old Garen E: 360 +330% AD New Garen E: 196 +385% AD (Level 9+) / 280 +550% AD

Generally, it's inferior to old Garen's E at levels 3-7, and gets stronger late.

E no longer crits, which is a nerf to full AD Garen.

And the biggest nerf to his E: "Garen now moves 20% slower while moving toward champions he’s hitting with Judgment"... Really? He already is easily kited, this will make him even less sticky than he is.

Can deal up to 5/6/7/8/9/10% of enemies health as True Damage if they are the Villain (%health true damage shouldn't exist, but whatever).

R: Generally a buff here, with it dealing true damage instead of magic if used against Villain.

TL;DR: So, he is basically nerfed unless he is fighting Villain in which case he is stronger than he was before... But, with reduced tenacity, silence duration and him being slowed while spinning - he will not be able to utilize his damage at all. He struggles with it currently, with much longer silence (so they can't flash or use any mobili or even slow, because that's all you need to get rid of Garen) and tenacity on W.

Garen is transformed into ult machine against Villains. Also, full AD Garen doesn't have his mid-game spike anymore.

6 Comments

Arsames4 votes

obvious nerfs.

Brahmsauce2 votes

I don't agree with the Silence nerfing and the W change at all. If this is their idea of tweaking Garen, then forget it. I'd rather they just leave him alone completely. I also play Darius and the changes overall for him were decent, so I don't get why Garen is getting the gut treatment.

Jeddy0171 votes

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I also play Darius and the changes overall for him were decent.

I wouldn't say that yet until we see how Riot are changing Darius stats as well.They could be as harsh as Garen's.

Ser Garland2 votes

And coincidentally. Riven got a new cool 1350 skin.

"It's ok Riven Baby, don't cry. I sent the big bad Garen into Oblivion, have a wowwypop!"

46104328_DEL1 votes

Riot is trying to nerf every champ in the league. Expect the one's they play.

GastonBarnacles1 votes

This is a nerf... they made him significantly less tanky, they removed the tenacity on w, silence duration only 1 second now?? The only buff is his ult which doesn't even work on every enemy, it only works on one bs "villain".

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