"_______ is not unbalanced, you just cannot make mistakes against them."

aceofthegod·3/8/2016, 12:55:01 PM·181 votes·9,448 views

Had a discussion with a friend about balanced champs. Champs like Yasuo, Zed, and Vayne came up. He said "they're balanced, you just can't make a single mistake against them or they will steamroll you for the entire match." Which to me, says it's unbalanced. If a champ requires such precise play that you can't make a single mistake without instantly losing lane and getting snowballed out of the lane, that says there's a lack of balance.

I'm also a bit biased as these are my top 3 most hated champs.

282 Comments

VictoryDance963/8/2016, 1:19:24 PM99 votes

You forgot to mention Fizz. I believe Rito's suggestion to counter him is basically to find a different lane...

GuiltyGecko3/8/2016, 2:35:48 PM30 votes

In other words, if a champion's counter-play boils down to "Wait for them to make a mistake" then that's not counter-play.

YossarianSensei3/8/2016, 1:08:20 PM30 votes

Those are pretty bad examples because you can actually make quite a few mistakes against them and recover

Good examples would be stuff like: Annie Veigar especially pre rework Garen Darius

Not to say they're OP or anything, but the common theme among these champs is they have a very specific play pattern that basically says "Don't do 'X' or you'll get destroyed"

Saphixia3/8/2016, 2:12:15 PM14 votes

If u make a mistake against malzahar you get heavily punished, but he is in a good state atm

Generalflood3/8/2016, 3:00:56 PM10 votes

who cares about what your friend said lmao

WukongMain3/8/2016, 1:03:15 PM8 votes

the thing about not being able to make mistakes is because after you've made that one mistake... Based on your knowledge of how snowbally the enemy champion is...It's gonna make you play worse and worse. Basically...After your first mistake...Instant tilt. Which just makes their snowball that much more effective. It's completely easy to play against these champions even if you make a few mistakes. You just have to understand why it was a mistake, and how to correct it. Okay, so you gave zed a kill...Now he can basically kill you whenever he wants...Don't Give Him the chance too Ask your jungler to camp and go in for the gank when zed makes hes overly aggresive play...Cause we all know hes gonna do it lol. If your jungler doesn't wanna do that...Try roaming instead. Maybe you can score a kill in another lane. and even the playing field between you and zed. Maybe you can completely change your build to counter him.. there are endless ways you can still play after you've made a mistake.

You just have to recognize what way bests fits you. and how to apply them.

Over Innsmouth3/8/2016, 1:44:15 PM7 votes

IMO, Yasuo and Zed are balanced.

Yasuo is balanced around having a higher than average skill floor and needing to still build at least two crit items for maximum damage output, instead of all those other glass cannons who go around building juggernaut. Zed is balanced around being 75% skillshot-based and being supremely useless in the wrong hands, as well as pretty much every class having anti-Zed itemization at their disposal ( item 3157 for AP's, item 3139 for AD's and tanks are just tanky. Granted, Zed's power level is pretty over the top right now due to the vast amount of anti-AP and ArPen in the game atm.

I do think that Vayne is unbalanced in the sense that there's very little weakness in her base kit to abuse beyond outranging her, and that there's no anti-itemizing against her. I suppose she's supposed to be balanced like Yasuo (relatively high skill floor) but since she's ranged and has free dashes (unlike Yas who is melee and has targeted dashes), she's got a huge amount of margin for error.

If you want to ask me about unbalanced, here's mine: Fiora Leblanc Fizz Graves .

Then there's a whole slew of Champions that are somewhat balanced, but too strong because Riot gives them too much love: Ahri LeeSin (to name a few).

Again, just my opinions.

46104328_DEL3/8/2016, 10:36:54 PM6 votes

Dude, you're talking like a rational, thinking person in the circle-jerkingest place on earth... You brave, brave fool.

Gregor Gysi3/9/2016, 4:55:57 PM3 votes

Zed is balanced and the other 2 are actually UP.

BeeFunky3/9/2016, 8:39:56 PM3 votes

Most champions can and will punish mistakes, obviously assassins and duelists do this much better than everyone else.

invisiblecat13/9/2016, 8:32:24 PM2 votes

Zed, walk near hit ulti or W ulti range and get deleted at level 6 or be forced to use both summoner which means a future kill Vayne, stand near a wall and get stunned (That is kinda it since early game even though she may have 1-2 kills you can still kill her) Yasuo, Luck based still he gets 2!!! item, and if he gets a lucky crit he will almost always win the trade unless they are dumb Fizz, Low Risk high reward Darius, dive in 1v5 but one shot everyone with 1k true damage and heal up tons of hp Ekko, Deals 1/2 of your hp and then you are slowed while he runs away Kog'Maw, get too close to him and you are forced to fight or he will kill you in 5 seconds Yi, can't slow him while he runs at you and kills you in 4 hits Xin Zhao, Crits every few aas, and heals for all the damage Ezreal, abuses Ice Born and will deal AoE damage and AoE slows, while deal so much damage and finally who can forget the most fun of them all LeBlanc, At level 2 R.I.P 1/2 of your hp, and good luck ganking her and chasing her