Thought id offer an item idea for a new high ap item while its getting some attention.

A GIANT CAPYBARA·May 8, 2017·15 votes·877 views

Since people including myself are looking for more high ap items and especially a lack of high ap items whithout mana attached to them thought id list my thoughts for a new item especially since ludens doesnt really fill the void from deathfire like it was meant to do.

Item: Something something ap item: Cost 3600 Builds out of +600 gold Stats 120AP 10%Cdr Unique passive 5% Movement Speed Unique Active: Your next damaging spell against a enemy champion will deal bonus damage equivalent to 10+5 Per level + 25% of your ability power (Halved for AOE spells) Duration: 5 Seconds.

Thought here is to offer burst mages a item in the mid game as a 2nd or 3rd item that gives them the power needed to get a rotation off without it being cheap enough to rush early and cheese level 7 all ins with it. Adds the stats deathfire had while added movement seed since the champs building this item benefit from movement speed such as and a more streamlined passive to champs building it without abuse cases. Item I think would do its job pretty well and add a single target option for burst as opposed to ludens which is more oriented for teamfight damage and waveclearing. But yeah thats about it hope you guys have a good day!

16 Comments

SweedishGunnerMay 8, 20179 votes

Isn't that just a better Ludens though?

KhadaverMay 8, 20171 votes

Without the Aoe

SweedishGunnerMay 8, 20172 votes

But Ludens is bought for the additional burst it offers. The AOE isn't even enough to clear melee minions.

Asayake 5150glowMay 8, 20174 votes

Why not just item 3285

A GIANT CAPYBARAMay 8, 20171 votes

Ludens helps in waveclear and teamfight damage, new item is meant to be a single target only item with slightly higher single target damage with no aoe and waveclear +higher cost for better overall stats and its active. Also of note the items base damage is per level scaling to make it more of a 3rd item purchase on onward to help those single target mages out later on when they start taking a hit in damage reliability.

Asayake 5150glowMay 8, 20172 votes

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Ludens helps in waveclear and teamfight damage, new item is meant to be a single target only item with slightly higher single target damage with no aoe and waveclear +higher cost for better overall stats and its active. Also of note the items base damage is per level scaling to make it more of a 3rd item purchase on onward to help those single target mages out later on when they start taking a hit in damage reliability.

Alright, I get it.

I'm a bit concerned about the 10% CDR, though... mages have enough CDR as it is with Morellos and options on defensive items... the drawback on heavy AP damage has always been not as much CDR, with item 3089 item 3135 item 3285 giving none. Mages are spammable enough as it is...

A GIANT CAPYBARAMay 8, 20172 votes

Not only am I trying to get some diversity between ludens passive and single target burst but also trying to get morello off its throne in terms of its stats and also giving non mana ap champs like Vladimir Mordekaiser AP Kennen Akali a item to get to help them out since they all use the stats well and use the active properly.

Votable JesterMay 8, 20172 votes

I mean putting CDR on the item is actually going to make me less likely to get it when playing a traditional mage. I already get 40% cdr if I opt into the defensive items (Zhonya's and Banshee's) and Morellos, which makes it a wasted stat. I've literally never been want for CDR.

If people need CDR, they can always put it in their runes like I do. 6 scaling CDR glyphs gives 10% CDR, and 9 scaling glyphs plus one scaling quint gives 20% CDR.

ApocylipticMay 8, 20172 votes

A point you are missing. Mages are doing just fine and need no buffs.

People like to conveniently forget that mages are currently in very good spots. They also seem to forget about the addition of keystones and utility they have now added to their items.

Reason why you have so much less AP now? Keystones and utility. Your build paths are now a lot more efficient as well. Mages are fine. Just adding AP for the sake of, "That's how it used to be," is how you ruin gameplay balance and is absolute asinine reasoning.

PoInGIceMay 8, 20171 votes

Seems to do its job well and cost is high enough to where it comes in the middle/end of builds to help single target burst mages out where they really have a hard time securing kills once the teamfight stages start to occur, little concerned it too mainstreamed in stats but its cost hopefully means its not something like morellos where its rushed in almost every case for a mid laner. I like it overall.

JoesMay 8, 20171 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

JiftoMay 8, 20171 votes

Cool item, would like to get some high ap diversity with how niche ROA and archangels are as well as giving more than 2 non mana 100+ ap items that we currently have.

58697132DEL1May 8, 20171 votes

it sounds like thunderlords on an item. im down but im a mage main so i mean ofc i am.

SilverjustMay 8, 20171 votes

good Idea, but I think you should either remove the CDR or nerf the passive, there should be a tradeoff in ap-itemisation between burst and spell-spamming