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If I propose this it's because I find that AD champions have a lot more choices for against an AP, too much AP shield, not enough for the opposite :(
Jimmy Rustles42 votesYou can hear the assassin mains screaming already
Sir Saltarin3 votesI'm an ADC main and I would hate it.
Thanks godness the Gameplay Boards is worthless and this wont ever happen.
AngelFrost006 votesI hope you just jinxed yourself
Crescent Dusk8 votes[{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-16T15:37:00.986+0000)
You can hear the assassin mains screaming already
Plenty of AP assassins pissed about instalosing any lane against a Zed or Talon with nullifying orb because they don't have an equivalent to it.
This will make AP assassins suck less ass even if any AP assassin besides Akali is still worse than a Zed in scaling and doesn't match Talon's roams.
AP assassins and bruisers need a lot better items. Currently AD champs have steraks/PD, guardian angel, death's dance (try playing Zed with death's dance, it's an instant win against any mage or assassin since they can't burst you faster than you can them), and edge of night.
AP assassins/bruisers only have Zhonyas, with a niche rod of ages consolation price for extra beefiness if they know a game can go that long, but many AP assassins only benefit partially from it as they are manaless.
Disembark1 votesThis is just untrue. A lot of AP assassins scale well.
A Fizz/Kassadin/Eve will probably be able to 1v1 a Zed in the late game.
Or have stronger early/mid games, or more utility, such as Leblanc or Ekko.
Or compare it someone like talon, who has a stronger lane phases but is easier to 1v1 in the late game.
Crescent Dusk3 votesThis is just untrue. A lot of AP assassins scale well.
A Fizz/Kassadin/Eve will probably be able to 1v1 a Zed in the late game.
Or have stronger early/mid games, or more utility, such as Leblanc or Ekko.
Or compare it someone like talon, who has a stronger lane phases but is easier to 1v1 in the late game.
lmao. Zed is the best scaling assassin in the game. No single other assassin besides a fed Akali can even duel Riven or other bruisers.
Fizz has zero kill pressure on Zed. Zed late forces Fizz's pole with a WEQ combo because otherwise the Fizz loses 70% of his HP to a late game WEQ electrocute combo from zed (and he'll never land the pole damage on a Zed thanks to shadow swap), and once his pole is down Zed is free to use his ult for an easy win. Kassadin won't make it out of lane against a half competent Zed. Zed builds Edge of Night so the moment charm pops up he just channels it and blows up the Eve.
Leblanc is not an assassin anyway you cut it anymore than Zoe is.
Ekko, Fizz, Kassadin, and Talon all have far worse laning phases, especially against artillery mages, whom Zed excels against.
The whole point of Talon is to rush tiamat to push and roam since he can't duel the vast majority of the midlane roster past lv6 and his only hope is a lv2-3 cheese kill if his opponent is r%%%%%ed enough to not abuse the fact Talon's single engagement tool is a pitiful 575 range linear dash that lines him up perfectly for any CC skillshot any mage will have to deny Talon both an engage and a stack passive. Talon's whole goal in a game is to push and invade enemy jg/bot lane to try to snowball because if the game gets past lv12 and he's not incredibly fed, he becomes the most useless assassin in the game.
SuperTopLFBottom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=0004000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T01:40:07.360+0000)
lmao. Zed is the best scaling assassin in the game. No single other assassin besides a fed Akali can even duel Riven or other bruisers.
Fizz has zero kill pressure on Zed. Zed late forces Fizz's pole with a WEQ combo because otherwise the Fizz loses 70% of his HP to a late game WEQ electrocute combo from zed (and he'll never land the pole damage on a Zed thanks to shadow swap), and once his pole is down Zed is free to use his ult for an easy win. Kassadin won't make it out of lane against a half competent Zed. Zed builds Edge of Night so the moment charm pops up he just channels it and blows up the Eve.
Leblanc is not an assassin anyway you cut it anymore than Zoe is.
Ekko, Fizz, Kassadin, and Talon all have far worse laning phases, especially against artillery mages, whom Zed excels against.
The whole point of Talon is to rush tiamat to push and roam since he can't duel the vast majority of the midlane roster past lv6 and his only hope is a lv2-3 cheese kill if his opponent is r%%%%%ed enough to not abuse the fact Talon's single engagement tool is a pitiful 575 range linear dash that lines him up perfectly for any CC skillshot any mage will have to deny Talon both an engage and a stack passive. Talon's whole goal in a game is to push and invade enemy jg/bot lane to try to snowball because if the game gets past lv12 and he's not incredibly fed, he becomes the most useless assassin in the game.
Talons laning phase is so bad he is one of the best champions in the game right now. Yeah right.
Crescent Dusk3 votesTalons laning phase is so bad he is one of the best champions in the game right now. Yeah right.
What an abundantly stupid reply. He is such a good champion, he has been pick/ban in LCS/MSI for the past years and all Talon otp's have been top 10 in the ladder these past seasons. Oh, wait, they haven't.
It's not like we have examples of champions with terrible laning but good roams like Shen being good champions for reference. Nope, if a champion is good, it must be because they have good laning.
Eonslegacy2 votestalon doesn't do the artillery mage thing, he actually does suffer in a short lane vs them. However he is really really tanky for an assasin, like 2250 base heatlh lvl 18 is kinda rediculous.
Eonslegacy1 votestalon would like to have a word with you about this whole "scaling" thing, he cant seem to find where he left his. Btw zed is a fighter assasin, he is a duelist in the assasin class, fizz is a TRUE assasin most ap assasins arent duelists, and i can promise you ekko would destroy zed ina 1v1. and in teamfights. Its just that laning phase is so geared for ad champs now.
Eonslegacy1 votesThey scale less than crit does, most ad assasins come super late game can sell lethality items for crit items for better results than ap champs. That being said, ap champs USUALLY have hard cc/ more mobility/ more range. Thats typically how they are compensated.
Eonslegacy1 votesno my frined nullifying orb AND plating for 400 more health lvl 1 for maximum anti ap assasin power
Eonslegacy1 votesassasins dont have assasin itemization tbh either. a big let down tbh. lethality was a failed attempt that was always going to be either 2 strong and abused by divers or 2 weak and diver items were gonna be picked up. Yoomus passive and duskblades black out were amazing ideas as assasin based moves, but.... 2900 gold... for each....... its like.... not slot efficient at all, but also its tuned for late game via the lethality scaling with levels. IF the items costed more and had better stats it be cool, if they costed less and you were just buying the effect like a blink dagger from dota 2 it would also be cool. Oh well.
Chembaron Yamada15 votesI know many people would consider this "fair", but it is really not if you think about it objectively.
An AD shield just would have way more value than an AP shield in this game. An AD shield can prevent you from getting executed by minions or even towers, which is impossible to achieve with a magic shield, since these don't deal magic damage at all.
The only sources of magic damage in this game are enemy champions and gromp. That's it, nothing else will deal magic damage to you. AD shields are more versatile because of that.
HP Crookshanks11 votesAD champions also have way more DPS than AP champions which makes the AD shield less valuable.
Chembaron Yamada10 votesCan't really support that statement.
As someone who plays Camille quite a bit, I appreciate it way more if I get the AD shield from her passive over the AP shield. Especially in teamfight and tower diving situations, the AD shield just feels way more valuable.
Also: there are AP champions with quite some DPS in the game, like: 
And I don't consider the AP shield less valuable because of their DPS either.
HP Crookshanks7 votesThat's because AD champions are way more popular but on 1v1 physical shield is weaker because AD champions will continue to auto attack you while AP one will wait for his/her cooldowns.
Chembaron Yamada4 votesYou realise that "AD champions are way more popular" is again a point favoring the statement that an AD shield version of Nullifying Orb would have more value than the AP version?
Which is the entire base of my argument here. An AD version of Nullifying Orb wouldn't be "equal" and "fair", since it would have more value because of AD damage being more present in the game than AP damage.
Morbys2 votesNot disagreeing with you but the statement that ad damage being more present in the game than ap is solely due to the fact that ad dmg is much more viable atm, not because there is less a representation of ap champs to ad champs.
Chembaron Yamada5 votesAD is in fact more present in the game in general. Because there are more sources of AD damage in the game than AP.
Morbys2 votesIt currently only pops at low hp, an AP champ isnt going to aa you to death unless its to disrespect you, and you're alrdy dead anyway.
This is easily fixable to apply only to champion dmg.
Eonslegacy1 votesU are wrong sir. I have been autoed to death several times by long range mages. Its not disrespectful, its them using their kit correctly, Neeko for one is obnoxious, lux, zigs, so on. They have range to auto you, if you cant insta gib them, they should use it. No, ad damage is just more common, ap damage is limited to 2 sources.
Morbys1 votesNeeko going AD is a thing, should probably pay attention to her items, its also ap dmg that she does on when her skill goes off. Ziggs has an AP auto atk based off his casts. And lux does an aa to pop illumination, which btw is AP dmg. So you, sir, you are wrong. You tried to use examples to carry your argument but all it did is strengthen mine, since those aa's are used to pop AP dmg.
Again, this can easily be implemented if its restricted to champion dmg.
fifek9001 voteswhat are you even talking about? just because these champions have additional AP damage that triggers off their auto attacks in kit doesnt mean they suddenly cant auto you outside of it. heck all of them harras quite a lot and not only to deal this magic damage
and all of those abillities deal bonus magic damage wich means that the damage is mixed.
Eonslegacy1 votesNo, the ad shield is always stronger bar nothing. Physical damage champions auting the shield need to BUST the shield still full value. Ap champs bursting into a shield, not breaking it, just results in half the shield being wasted. I have had morganas Pool proc my maw/PD shield SEVERAL times, and guess what, i feels like a waste of my shield, but when zed AHAHAHAHAHs me its always nice to see my steraks remove his entire R damage.
Eonslegacy1 voteswrong it makes it more valuable, most of the time an ap champ will get you low and kill you with ignite and autos, most ad champs get you low and kill you with.... ignite and autos..... so the ad shield would actually block the full value, but the magic shield typically (because of cooldowns and what not) only gets partially used before it expires. Most of the time the thing that GOT you to 30% was the last spell in their combo as such the spell shield just fizzles after blocking 50 or so damage. it has FAR more anti physical power than anti magic.
jocomotion5 votesDon’t forget Baron also does primarily magic damage, and if you’re worried about its overall defensive capabilities riot could easily make it so that it’s only proced on champion damage, or have it be a selective shield that will only works against enemy champions, or any number of things.
HP Crookshanks9 votesIt could be fair if it worked like that but Riot loves to favor AD champions as always. 
Sinister Anubis5 votes[{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-16T15:37:08.556+0000)
It could be fair if it worked like that but Riot loves to favor AD champions as always.
Would like to speak with you
Crescent Dusk4 votes[{quoted}](name=Reckless Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-06-16T20:21:48.982+0000)
Zhonyas is just a worse Guardian Angel. AD gets GA, steraks/PD, malmortius, and edge of night as defensive options. AP only gets Zhonyas.
Prestige Eve2 votes[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T20:32:25.724+0000)
Zhonyas is just a worse Guardian Angel. AD gets GA, steraks/PD, malmortius, and edge of night as defensive options. AP only gets Zhonyas.
Why was GA changed to an AD item again? Seriously, who asked or suggested it? You were supposed to sacrifice damage for a powerful revival passive with some resistance, not get both.
FOR JUSTICE1 votesthis statement makes no sense. all of these will never be on the same champion because they're designed for completely different classes.
ad assassins will take EoN or Maw ADC's will take GA or Maw/pd. bruisers will take GA.
mages get because under 99% of situations their build items remain relatively the same. meanwhile, AD based champions vary from assassins, marksmen, bruisers etc.
Crescent Dusk3 votes[{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=0005000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-16T22:04:43.721+0000)
this statement makes no sense. all of these will never be on the same champion because they're designed for completely different classes.
ad assassins will take EoN or Maw ADC's will take GA or Maw/pd. bruisers will take GA.
mages get
I don't know what rock you've been living under where assassins don't buy GA. LL Stylish consistently buys PD on Zed on games where he doesn't have enough squishy targets, and the usual items bought by any assassin are duskblade/youmuus+BC/last whisper (depending how much survival they need)+boots+edge of night and then either GA or maw depending if they're playing an AP or AD heavy team.
Dead assassins who die in one Alistair stun or Sejuani ult don't live to assassinate targets.
Sir Saltarin2 votesZhonyas is just a worse Guardian Angel.
Gameplay Boards never changes
wildfox9T4 votes[ 
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Sinister Anubis1 votes[
Not all of those items are bought by the same type of ad champions
wildfox9T1 votes/ basically any AD can build that
some ADC and assassins can build it and fighters AD become almost impossible to burst down with that
any AD works with that
any AS based champion becomes a murdering machine impossible to burst down for APs (even squishy ADC will be able to 1vs1 AP assassins with that)
this is just a little complain of mine but this item is so broken,it gives a good amount of MR,damage and sustain for a cheap price
any AD figther build that
any crit based champ can build that
pretty niche but AD casters can still build it and sometimes it's really good (ie. engaging a champion reliant on a CC like 
or 
or blocking 
ult)
as you can see any AD class have at least 3 / 4 items to choose,AP only have which unless your team is here to help only delay your death and have a really low defensive stats (45 armor),sure there is 
as well but its passive it's terrible (kinda like ),people build it only for its MR since there is no other AP item that gives this stat (they have no choice)
Avinychus2 votes[{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-16T15:37:08.556+0000)
It could be fair if it worked like that but Riot loves to favor AD champions as always.
Have you even seen any ap items? their cost is low and some of their items give 120 ap..... and even +40% ap :-: and a time watch that can be used every 120 secends + magic damage and armor!
wildfox9T2 votestheir cost is low and some of their items give 120 ap.
3600 g is low?
also AD crit champs get a similar item for less gold 
and a time watch that can be used every 120 secends + magic damage and armor!
are way better and give permanent/low CD defense (except for GA but this item passive it's already OP,it coulnd't be on a low cd)
we havent met6 votesNothing pisses me off more than a zed buying hexdrinker, with null orbs and merc treads with mr adaptive and literally any ap champion he goes against just loses. Fun and interactive! Meanwhile we should "just be happy bc zhonyas is a really strong item against ads!" And you know im not arguing that zhonyas isnt strong. (Ad champions can also get a stopwatch now btw so that point goes right down the toilet) But hexdrinker gives AD. Null orb is another magic damage barrier. Merc treads gives tenacity AND mr. Like holy fuck you might as well say, "Yeah sorry you dont get to play this game anymore mage mains.
YaraUwU3 votesShould be physical considering mr is so much stronger then armour atm.
Demonblade Yasuo2 votesLOL too may options? Don't forget that mages have the cheapest and strongest items in the game.
Small Boobs Ahri7 votesAD vs AP options : The Runes 40 - 120 based on level, + for 1300 gold give 110 - 280 based on level to + 35 MR so that gives about a shield of 225 (63 for the runes and 160 for hexdrinker) level 6 (not counting that it probably started the mercury
now AP vs AP : 1100 gold you have 
30 armor + 0,5 per unit killed (more 15 armor ) so it saves us 45 armor. and since we take the example of a level 6, it means that we have barely 1300 HP, chosen to have a shield of 225 or 45 armor with less than 1500 HP, I quickly made my choice, especially since so much armor with so little HP is not very effective
especially since Zhonia start is very rare and don't forget that the AD also have a pretty good item 
Demonblade Yasuo1 votesYeah I think stasis should be removed and zhonyas should become a shield like hex too.
bronze smurf691 votesI want this to happen.
But this begs the question btw, does the shield also apply to turret shots? Or only enemy champions?
Small Boobs Ahri2 votesI want this to happen.
But this begs the question btw, does the shield also apply to turret shots? Or only enemy champions?
I don't know if I had to choose I'll say no to stay in balance with the RM, and other things if we're low life and minion hits us, it doesn't activate it
bronze smurf693 votes[{quoted}](name=Small Boobs Ahri,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-06-16T19:43:29.287+0000)
I don't know if I had to choose I'll say no to stay in balance with the RM, and other things if we're low life and minion hits us, it doesn't activate it
Then that's a fair enough idea to idea.
AD already has more shit than AP anyway. When was the last time we even got a new AP item though?
Zane Zephyr1 votesspellbinder
Zerenza2 votesAnd barely anyone buys it lol
