Blitzcrank is the most toxic champion in the game.

BlackEyesBlue··21 votes·5,222 views

Now I'll admit my bias in how I've long hated this OP, One trick pony.

He's completely binary! Land q and all in, or miss q and run around doing the COD command run until q CD ends...

Combine this with about 4 seconds of CC, a speed steroid, natural tankiness, and a really grating laugh... You get one tall glass of annoying. :/

But there's something else about him that took me a while to notice. Something that finally became clear when a bad Vayne I was supporting raged at me. Not for playing Sona poorly , but for picking Sona INSTEAD of Blitzcrank (or Thresh) to begin with! and that's when it really hit me!

Blitzcrank makes players worse at the game!

That Vayne was not the only time I've had an ADC whine that "I NEED Blitz supp!" either, just the most recent. Blitz's Q followed by his all -in is OP as heck in that with very little precision you can just feed your team kills in a way not even Thresh or Nautalis can; And this doesn't just apply to the laneing phase either!

Eventually players will group up to siege towers and this is normally where team work, precession and placement have to be used. But NOT if either side has Blitz... Now If your attacking, your entire team just has to kill minions, gather around the robot, and wait for him to pull some one into the 5 man gang bang! If your defending, All he has to do is grab the first one to actually hit the tower, and they are killed 90% of the time too!

Combine all of this with how popular he is! I see him in 4 out of 5 blind pick matches I play! So now, You have Blitz players thinking they're hot stuff, ADC's who get so used to being spoon fed kills that they can't get them w/o a hook champ! And entire teams who don't need to get better at game fundamentals because They can just lean on this crutch!

What can be done about this? Honestly it's a tough call, taking away or overly nerfing his q would make him weak. I think the biggest problem is the rest of his kit, If the q were his only CC he wouldn't be so toxic. Maybe have his e knock the target away rather then up, AND removing the silence from his ult?

46 Comments

Ben Sharpio12 votes

i think one easy way to nerf him would just shorten his Q pull. As of right now he can pull your bitch ass back to the stone age. It has too far of a reach!

CreationFlaw4 votes

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i think one easy way to nerf him would just shorten his Q pull. As of right now he can pull your bitch ass back to the stone age. It has too far of a reach!

I think it just needs more of a cast time.

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

A 1 or 1.5 second channel would solve everything! :D

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Yea, cause it worked for Veigar cough

Spicy Rice7 votes

or, yknow, realize that you can dodge his q

50000000000000008 votes

Sure, if you can dodge every single one. In laning phase, you can hide behind minions and dodge a lot of his Q, but eventually he'll land one or two. In teamfight, if you dodge someone else will get caught.

Dodging everything is not an option.

UPfreely3 votes

but picking a solid teamcomp is. really you should have a front line and most of them enjoy being grabbed, assuming your team doesn't abandon them. if all you have is squishy champions against a blitzcrank, you're probably doing it wrong. i mean that's like picking soraka into rengar.

BlackEyesBlue3 votes

In low elo blind pick... this is rarely an option.

You can't control what your team mates do EVER, much-less 100% of the time. :/

lB2kGRlc8y2 votes

Yea, bit that's far from a good reason to pander to the idiots who don't take things like that into consideration, especially when Blitz has such a high pick rate. Any actual strategizing that requires a different item build or less aggro playstyle is too much of an imposition for the ADC mains that fuel this topic.

YossarianSensei1 votes

You don't have to dodge them, just don't stand in front if you're a squishy

His Q isn't even designed for you to dodge, it's basically just a stupidity test for your squishies.

Only Play Darius9 votes

Completely ignoring it's fucked up hitbox.

They nerfed Leona's zenith blade hitbox because it didn't match the visuals. Blitzcrank needs the same treatment.

lB2kGRlc8y4 votes

I love blitz, and yea, his hook is wonky as fuck. Most of the bullshit hooks that land are ones even the Blitz didn't believe would hit, so there's that.

UPfreely4 votes

honestly if it gets nerfed too much, thresh/naut will probably have about the same displacement.

Its All Skillzz6 votes

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honestly if it gets nerfed too much, thresh/naut will probably have about the same displacement.

they cant pull you over walls and naut hook/thresh hook is alot more forgving as it causes them to come into your team not the other way around.

UPfreely4 votes

they have different utility in their hooks though with far lower cooldowns. naut can dredgline to walls at half cd. thresh has a massive stun attached, a HUGE cd refund for not whiffing. they also have loads more utility in their kits.

Seenan1 votes

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i think one easy way to nerf him would just shorten his Q pull. As of right now he can pull your bitch ass back to the stone age. It has too far of a reach!

It use to be a lot shorter in previous seasons. Lord knows why they decided to buff the range. Now with Talisman and his speedbuff with mobis, he can zone you out and gank midlane from bot lane easily.

EDIT: This is just what I remember. It's always seemed like it got a >100 range buff to it, and honestly...why?

Phil Fly8 votes

I think his pull is the only reason Blitzcrank is known. Unless Riot outright deletes Blitzcrank (let's pray), we are just going to have to hope we don't get him in any of our games..

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Pick nasus top as a way to punsih the blitz lane. Since his main counter is zoning supports, Blitzcrank simply gives Nasus another form of engage. I just hate how blitz became a support when he was a decent top lane bruiser at one point. Every champion in the game adjusts the way you play your game, but just like with Veigar, people don't want to change their builds. Banshees Veil completely invalidates Blitz.

Vekkna2 votes

You think it's fair that a single champ can impose a 13,000 gold tax on the enemy team?

It's not exactly like a bot duo can just pull 5400 gold out of their asses at any point during the entire laning phase. If they both rushed it, they would still lose lane for not doing any damage or having any increased survivability against the adc. It's a lose/lose situation.

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

So you're telling me that tanks, as their entire build is imposed on them by the enemy composition shouldn't have to build said items? I'm clearly not talking about laning phase, but if you as an adc grab a banshee's veil, then the Blitzcrank is worthless late game, people always bitch about how a single hook loses them the game, and that's the remedy. The remedy to blitz during laning phase is to have a tank support, and considering how many good ones there are that shouldn't be too difficult. Also 13000 gold? the fuck are you on? Only the squishies need worry about something like that, if he hooks your alistar or amumu he's fucked himself. Not a ton of options for a blitz after he's pulled a tank in with a support build, so basically its on positioning and having the functioning brain cells to not go 5 squishies comp ever.

WolfChases6 votes

The main problem about Blitz is the speed and the hitbox of his Q, that's just...retarded. Honestly there's close to no time to react if he speeds up towards you...even if you move like a damn snake ~~~~~~~~ he will potentially outrun you and get close enough and easily grab you because there's almost no cast time and hitbox is as large as Russia - 2 continents (how you know how his Q hitbox is abnormally big) :D

MrButtermancer5 votes

I basically just blanket hate riskless offensive repositions. Amumu has to dive. Singed needs to be in melee range. Alistar and Tris push enemies away. Even Urgot telegraphs and swaps on an ulti.

Blitzcrank and Thresh legitimately just fling until they land a Q then the team dogpiles for the dunk. Everyone has to play considerably differently because of the potential for getting caught by these horrifically dangerous skills. They're just so devastating.

I can see how counterplay is possible, even a game style that allows for this mechanic to exist competitively, but why? It's too poisonous in games it's in. It's not even a matter of OP, I dislike these abilities on principle.

Jofeyy3 votes

I think the problem isnt the grab but the cc that keeps you there. Before you can flash out (assuming you have it) he gets a free knockup and ult that silences you preventing further escape for another second. I would make it so that there is a cooldown before he can knock you up after a grab. That way you might be able to escape easier.

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

That was similar to my idea!

I know his q is his whole gimmick, so I'd like to see the rest of his CC nerfed! Turning his e into a knock away rather then a knock up seems like a fair nerf/buff to me, and his ult losing silence would be a good step as well!

Evelynn is one of my mains and I couldn't tell you how many times someone has flashed immediately after I cast my ult on them.. And its not nearly as big a "screw you" as Blitz's ult is after his q! I think retricting the CC of the rest of his kit would be a great move myself! ... Of coarse I'll admit, I hate Blitz as he is, so I'm a little bias. :P

IcyPepper3 votes

Well, I wouldn't call it a free knock-up since it's literally the entire point of his E... but it does seem pretty tacked on.

His ult either needs a higher cooldown, or his E needs some changes. Maybe your change would be good for it.

OperationDEEZ13 votes

My main supports are Soraka Bard and Taric . Yeah, it sucks.

Sakura Mirage2 votes

He does not need a nerf by all means if anything he needs buffs. Btw he pulls with his right hand so use that to dodge not that hard as somebody like thresh that hooks from a camera angle where he looks behind him.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

they need to nerf the range speed and with of his pull its retarded at this point

AndyChrono2 votes

Play Amumu and just body block every grab for your team.

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

OK I've had an enemy Blitz pull me in as Mumu when my w killed the Quinn next to him as a bad play and it was funny as heck!!!

... But playing the same champ all the time in hardly counter play. If anything it just shows that Blitz players don't even know when its a bad move!; no matter how funny! :P

Captain Aishi1 votes

best way to counter blitzcrank is to play heimerdinger... stay in between him and your allies at all times, every time he tries to hook, drop a turret and laugh :P

or any tanky champion without reliable engage tools and take the hook for your team (I won a game like that as volibear, was pretty funny)

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Elise fucks him over too, her spiderling wall basically assured he will never land a hook on you. Also, Amumu isn't the only tank you don't wanna pull. Pull the Chogath cause his hitbox is 2 screens wide and what happens? AoE silence on you team, and saving Cho the trouble of having to walk up to the carry to eat him. I think the lane formula is whats made blitz seem so toxic, since nobody would ever dream of taking anything but an adc and supp bot. Other MOBAs will consistently have lane swaps so the matchups that are too oppressive can be dealt with, but the players now are so dense that they force nerfs on balanced champions because of how they interact with the forced botlane meta.

Lugg2 votes

It's the only hook/grab that can pull someone through a wall. They should make it that grabs through the wall pull the champion into the wall for a stun. I think that would be more fair than pulling right into the middle of the enemy team over a wall but still gets the champ in range for your team to at least get some poke in.

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Wait, Darius cant pull people through walls? Did they fix him or something?

Lugg1 votes

You are correct, I totally forgot about that. He can pull multiple people over, but it is a shorter range. However, I never hear anyone complain about that.

Tomate Cru1 votes

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It's the only hook/grab that can pull someone through a wall. They should make it that grabs through the wall pull the champion into the wall for a stun. I think that would be more fair than pulling right into the middle of the enemy team over a wall but still gets the champ in range for your team to at least get some poke in.

And that's why he is fun!

A lot of champions have skills that allow them to teleport through/jump walls. Why can't one of them pull enemies through the same wall? This is game balance IMO. If Riot remove this ability, they might as well disable wall teleport for everyone...

Calabok2 votes

you. know. you. can. just. keep. away. from. him......

Its All Skillzz1 votes

Hate the champion, had one yesterday on enemy team complete shit miss every pull, come end game he lands 1 hook out of the entire game on me over a wall because our wards had just faded and pulls me into their team and i die then he pulls another person over another wall to their death an they steam roll my team 3 vs 5 and push for the win. i hate when blitz is picked i dont think he is op. i just find him to be very fucking toxic with the i land Q game is now 4 vs 5 play style.

Feathermane1 votes

If everything is constantly labeled as toxic, then nothing is toxic. Stop using that meaningless expression.

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

I'm arguing that Blitz is an Over powered, low skill champ, who takes a large amount of strategizing and skill out of any game he's in!; As well as constant exposure hurting people's game in the long run.

"Toxic" may be an over-used term, but I think I'm using it correctly here. :P

Seenan1 votes

His entire kit is made to zone you, really.

MS buff along with how he usually gets talisman anyway...The fact that he can just walk to you and take easy punishment by virtually anything to punch you, possibly ult you, then pull you back in when you try to run...Or the typical hook, punch, ult that leaves you without a chance in hell most of the time. Oh, and since any sensible Blitz will stack mana, you can't really kill him due to the fact that every high mana item either comes with heavy armor, or health..Or strength if you get a Sheen...Which will mean his shield will result in literally ~half his hp bar being a shield when he gets low.

He's too safe to do whatever he does, and he's too good at doing what he does...which is basically zoning anyone from him in a 900 radius along with possibly killing them, if a hook hits if they get close, with a teammate most likely by them. This is also discounting the fact that he's tanky. (Same as Nida's spears, really..but Nida will actually kill you on her own).

It's almost like how Thresh gets free AP and armor for the entire game without cap, along with how Thresh is the only ranged champ to be able to benefit from Face Of The Mountain..which never made sense to me. 'Let's give a champ that can cc you to no end, the ability to use a +500 hp support tank item.'

Biffolo1 votes

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His entire kit is made to zone you, really.

MS buff along with how he usually gets talisman anyway...The fact that he can just walk to you and take easy punishment by virtually anything to punch you, possibly ult you, then pull you back in when you try to run...Or the typical hook, punch, ult that leaves you without a chance in hell most of the time. Oh, and since any sensible Blitz will stack mana, you can't really kill him due to the fact that every high mana item either comes with heavy armor, or health..Or strength if you get a Sheen...Which will mean his shield will result in literally ~half his hp bar being a shield when he gets low.

He's too safe to do whatever he does, and he's too good at doing what he does...which is basically zoning anyone from him in a 900 radius along with possibly killing them, if a hook hits if they get close, with a teammate most likely by them. This is also discounting the fact that he's tanky. (Same as Nida's spears, really..but Nida will actually kill you on her own).

It's almost like how Thresh gets free AP and armor for the entire game without cap, along with how Thresh is the only ranged champ to be able to benefit from Face Of The Mountain..which never made sense to me. 'Let's give a champ that can cc you to no end, the ability to use a +500 hp support tank item.'

You know that he dosen't get the execute from it right? You need to last hit. You can run face of the mountain on anyone and still get the gold proc.

Reaper Soraka1 votes

Thresh is unable to proc relic shield execute, but he can use the passive on his E, which grants him a ridiculous auto-attack bonus to reliably last hit minions.

You won't see a Thresh execute a minion that has 250 health, but he still hits as hard as the adc he's standing next to when his passive is charged.

Catastrop1 votes

If it weren't for his pull, he'd just disappear. His kit is fine as it is and needs neither nerfs nor buffs.

stealthfox941 votes

Honestly I don't get how Blitz Q was ever allowed in the game. It's single handedly the most broken ability in the game.

YossarianSensei1 votes

Blitz is free losses once you run into Leona Alistar

There's always going to be pubstomper champs, doesn't mean they're toxic

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