Are there any champions that don't benefit from mixing some ad items into their build?

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ValyrianBlade2 votes

Yes, pretty much any ap champion.

If you have ap ratios on your abilities, then building ap will give you more damage (and more burst, front loaded damage is better as it gets your opponent dead faster to stop their sustained damage).

Also, most tanks don't benefit as much from building ad as from building tank. They often have percent health damage (either their health or their opponents) and mostly deal damage from these abilities while living a long time to building full tank and using lots of crowd control.

Ap champion examples: Ahri Anivia Annie Cassiopeia Katarina Ryze and many more

Tank examples: Sejuani Maokai Nautilus etc....

Some tanks likePoppy Shen orSkarner can and sometimes do build an ad item or two though (often of item 3078 item 3748 item 3053

Deliberate Inter1 votes

even if they have MR or you can't hit your skillshots? I got 10 kills today with warrior enchant morg and going manamune

ValyrianBlade1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KRovQHAk,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-17T16:47:13.462+0000)

even if they have MR or you can't hit your skillshots? I got 10 kills today with warrior enchant morg and going manamune

If they're building MR that means your AD teammates will do more damage. If everyone built ad, your opponents wouldn't build MR, they would just stack armor.

If you can't land your skillshots, then you have two options:

  • practice - learn to land them
  • play Champions that aren't skillshot reliant

There are lots of Champions that aren't skillshot reliant. Admittedly most are AD (your marksmen) and this wouldn't be a better pick if you're going to build ad because you can't land abilities.

Some ap options that don't need to land skillshots: Teemo - you can build on hit (eg nashors and Lich bane) and do lots of magic damage. Azir - you're dealing basic damage by attacking with your soldiers (admittedly this Champion is much harder to play than landing your skillshots on any other champion would be though)

Also tanks like maokai or malphite don't really have skillshots to hit (the latter's ult being important though).

Deliberate Inter1 votes

would you say there should always be ad teammates?

ValyrianBlade1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KRovQHAk,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-17T17:44:17.202+0000)

would you say there should always be ad teammates?

Yes. Definite, strong, yes.

While Riot seems to be okay with letting ADCs or even fighters do real damage to tanks that are strictly stacking armour, the same is generally not true for AP.

If a team is all AP and a tank stacks MR, they will become unkillable. Even with as few as item 3111 item 3065 item 3001 item 3194 (4 of 6 items) the tank will tank next-to-no damage from AP only teams.

Deliberate Inter1 votes

Interesting cuz I see a lot of ap only teams

Tobykachu1 votes

Basically all AP champions. Sure a lot of them are ranged and can thus feasibly play like an ADC they generally much prefer having items. Same with tanks. If they build some AD then they lose out on a lot of durability.

Karthus is probably the worst champion to buy any AD on as his auto attack range is so low, his auto attack animation is terrible and his Q is on such a low cooldown that there's really never a point to ever use his auto animation for anything other than potentially last hitting when you're oom.

Deliberate Inter1 votes

I saw a karthus auto attack a lot with rapidfire cannon shiv and ie and he carried

Shahamut1 votes

It not so much that they don't benefit at all, because any champion can and should try to weave auto attacks in between skills if possible, its more that the benefit of building something else is so much better that building an item with AD on it would hurt them overall in effectiveness.

Deliberate Inter1 votes

So should I build say, an infinity edge or a bf sword midgame on veigar because my opponent has merc treads and a spectres cowl?

Dynikus1 votes

No, just build magic pen. Morello and sorc boots are generally enough, but if they're stacking magic resist, go void staff as well.

Shahamut1 votes

who are you playing as?

If you are any kind of mage, the answer is no. You build Penetration and AP. If enemy is stacking MR, grab an early void staff.

If say, Veigar, is playing super safe and is too hard to solo kill, look to set up ganks/dives or just shove wave and roam to help your team. In this specific example, Veigar is putting off being useful for a LONG time if he is building that. Take advantage.

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