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King Odin··17 votes·1,368 views

Darius Fiora Kindred TahmKench Vayne Veigar Gangplank Elise Garen Soraka TwistedFate Yasuo Riven Lulu Blitzcrank

I mean some may not be top priority to ban but generally speaking this is what most of us want to ban and simply can't due to the tiny ban limit. Hopefully Riot increases this in preseason. Let's hope

42 Comments

Vesarixx9 votes

How did you get that 6 in a circle?

King Odin5 votes

Black magics

Vesarixx13 votes

Lucian item 3089

Excitidly Insane3 votes

Vayne

I am the night.

Martyrofsand7 votes

Why on earth would you want to ban Soraka? I mean is it really that difficulty to attack her instead of the person she is spam healing? It's not that hard if you have the smallest of brains.

Summersteeth2 votes

{quoted} It's not that hard if you have the smallest of brains.

Unfortunately, I do not have the smallest of brains. I agree that you can probably let Soraka and a few others on the list through, but the point is that there are more than 6 champions that are very strong in this meta. Even if there weren't, banning shouldn't be about correcting balance issues, it should be about strategic choices to support the team comp you want.

On Soraka specifically, it is easier to kill her than whoever she is healing, but because she can heal herself and she has a slow and an aoe silence, it isn't especially easy to kill her quickly. The time it takes to kill her is time the enemy adc/mid/etc is spending killing your adc/mid and not your support. This way, Soraka benefits her team even when she is focused first every fight. If the fight starts with Soraka dead and the other team down a carry, Soraka's team is better off. Also, global non-skillshot ultimates are pretty cool, which is why TF is on the ban list and we've been seeing Shen support at worlds.

Martyrofsand1 votes

The heal Soraka gets from her Q is very small and if she uses her ult just for herself thats fine you don't have to worry about it when killing her team. Killing her quickly os very simple of you pick the right champs, I mean if you pick Braum/Sona/Janna/Nami then no you prolly won't be killing her anytime soon but a Thresh/Blitz/Leona set up yeah you can melt her rather quickly, and tbh Sona lanes can do it if you poke well forcing her to heal while avoiding her Q and then all in woth Cresendo when she is low.

Complaining about needing to ban Soraka/blitz while Threshand Tahm, at least you got one, still exists is like complaining about a papercut while you arm is laying 3 feet away from you.

Divewing1 votes

The true answer isn't that they win games and are hard to beat, but that they are just obnoxious to deal with. Both are a pick where if you lose to it, you don't want to see another for the rest of the week. They're the Yasuo's of supports

Martyrofsand1 votes

Far from it. I would rather lose to a Soraka or blitz for an entire year straight than climb to diamond in a week beating Kench and Thresh. Why? Because when you lose to Soraka or Blitz you, and/or your ADC got out played flat out. There are no excuses against them, their weaknesses and counter play are very clear and unforgiving, and if you don't exploit it that is 100% on you and your carry. Thresh and Tahm on the other hand tend to be extremely forgiving to the point you can out play circles around them and still lose simply because od their kits. Most times when you beat them it isn't because of your skill so much as it is because of their lack of it and that is the most frustrating thing to play against in any game.

Divewing1 votes

Really? You enjoy a champion whose pull wins or loses the game?

Martyrofsand1 votes

Yes because they are fair to play against. Blitz does nothing if he misses his hook, while Thresh still provides get out of jail free cards via his Lantern and zone denial via his ult. If you dodge blitz's hook that is your cue to jump on him/adc because at that point they have little to nothing they can do but run away.

This gets into the main problem and why Thresh and Tahm Kench are toxic by design. They are champs that by design don't lose because not only are they lacking real weaknesses but they also cover for the weaknesses and misplays of their teams so well. Let's take an example of Thresh "losing" to better explain why I take issue with him as a support.

Say Thresh/Cait are going against a Jinx/Soraka. Thresh hooks Soraka but Cait attacks Jinx allowing Raka to spam heal Jinx and win the trade with ease.

Sounds like a case of "oh Thresh/Cait got out played" but the problem is did they really? What play did Soraka/Jinx make that resulted in them out playing Thresh/Cait? The answer is simple, they didn't. It wasn't that Jinx/Raka out played Thresh/Cait it's that Thresh/Cait misplayed the lane. That is the inherent problem, Thresh is able to make plays, while Raka being successful is entirely dependent on her enemies screwing up. This is inherent to a number of supports, especially the non-tanky supports like Sona/Raka/Janna who either through nerfs or reworks have been hit so much that they no longer make plays, instead they simply exploit mistakes.

Exploiting mistakes in and of itself isn't bad, in fact all champs should be able to do so, but when a champ ONLY exploits mistakes because they lack the urgency in their design to do anything else you have a problem. This is compounded by champions like Thresh/Tahm who have all the urgency, they have all the control and all they have to do is not screw up in order to be successful. I would rather play against champions who reward me for out playing them than play against champs that force me to depend on the mistakes of my opponents.

Divewing1 votes

..... thats a pretty stupid comparison... Raka sona and janna are passive supports, shielding/healing/buffing the ADC rather than locking down the opposing adc with metric tonnes of hard CC....... Apples and oranges bud. Also, Thresh utility be damned, his hook, while admittedly being very dangerous late game, is not a 100% death, Blitz's is. What's more, you don't get second chances with blitz. In some situations, even though Thresh did land his hook you may end up let go with some heavy poke. Blitz on the other hand is instant death, its near impossible to flash after it either. That ability is too powerful to be a basic ability.

Martyrofsand1 votes

Far from apples to oranges actually. Soraka used to be able to dictate lanes via her sustain as long as she kept enemies off of her team creating a play style that wasn't flashy but still effective, strong and most importantly gave her the ability to control and make plays on her own.

Sona did the same with her mixture of sustain, poke and cresendo prior to all of it being out right nerfed to the point that she is at the mercy of you enemies not hard engaging AND your ADC to make use of your Q buff, oh and your enemies dealing damage during the 1.5 sec ls your shield is up.

Janna made plays with her strong Q enablong you to use it offensively and still get a decent knock-up but now it is pretty much a disengage tool and nothing else.

All three of those champs has something they where strong in while having clear weaknesses while they have been nerf hammered hard. Thresh on the other hand continues to have no real weaknesses being able to hard engage or disengage and even when missing the hook has a great deal of utility to provide unlike a blitz that is useless if you dodge the hook, or even worse he hooks the enemy tank.

No one is denying blitzs grab is strong but unlike Thresh there are clear downsides to the rest of his kit that Thresh does not have making Thresh far more toxic.

Subject 54 votes

Soraka "Why am I banned?

Thresh "To be honest, your kit is just overloaded and you can do too much. So what if you are countered by one of the most popular AP items in the game and another most popular summoner spell in the game, and can be countered with blitz, Alistar, Thresh, Sona, Karma, Gragas, Nautilus, Janna, Fiddle sticks . . . . . . . . .-"

Soraka ". . ."

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

We went from 4 bans to 6 bans around 90 champions.

We have over 120 champions.

Riddle me that one, instead of telling the OP that the champs they want to ban are irrelevant.

Final Boss Naut2 votes

Fizz pls pls pls

:D Veigar

Archon X1 votes

yeah if all of those people are op then just play them?

I know I play Soraka all the time cause she's freelo.

HentRex1 votes

Not vs Nami. Lane is stalemate, all depends on who's team does better.(That is if the nami is good)( Vs any bad opponent any one is freelo ;))

chipndip11 votes

{quoted}

Not vs Nami. Lane is stalemate, all depends on who's team does better.(That is if the nami is good)( Vs any bad opponent any one is freelo ;))

Soraka wins. Nami can't out-sustain that and her bubble won't be reaching Soraka.

King Odin1 votes

2 things.

  1. I don't like playing any of the champions on that list.
  2. There are 15 champions and playing one doesn't help anything.
Archon X2 votes

you have to shift with the meta to climb

I'd love to play sona and nami all the time but I have to play who's strong

that's how I move up

King Odin1 votes

Playing someone who's strong and playing someone who is Overpowered/Broken/Toxic are two different things. The game is about having and fun and you can climb with whoever you want if you really want to. I play Amumu jungle and I've climbed from Silver 5 to Plat 2 with it. I'm not going to change just because there's some jungler whose toxic kit allows easy wins.

Archon X3 votes

'toxic kit allows easy wins'

not sure why anyone would pass that up

I'm 13-0 with Soraka in solo queue, all in plat games, albeit 1-2 with her in ranked team games

King Odin3 votes

What does this have to do with my main argument of this thread ( We need more bans)

ChaosThief1 votes

I would pass that up.

I don't care if I win, or I lose. If I have fun with the game, it's a win to me.

Divewing1 votes

Yeahhhhhh no. Sorry but my pride won't let me do that. If I so much as touch Blitzcrank for elo I could never forgive myself. Honestly I hate meta-sheep in general, and especially when I'm playing something like Syndra, breaking my back trying to win, then you get a free win because of some champion's busted kit, it does piss me off. I'll tell you a story, a few weeks ago I played Yi jungle for the first time since they'd brought out sated. I won my first 3 games with it in a row i think, and I felt so hollow. I literally 1v3d because the item did ALL the work for me. There was no sense of accomplishment, and if Yi wasn't so fun to play I probably wouldve stopped after that one.

It's part of the reason I like Veigar being back, I get to play Talon and Ekko and for the most part, I get to put them in their meta-sheeping place.

LadyRenly1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Archon X,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KN6ERoM5,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-10-25T06:39:08.892+0000)

you have to shift with the meta to climb

I'd love to play sona and nami all the time but I have to play who's strong

that's how I move up

 Play who is strong
 Nami isn't strong

rofl

alasarcher1 votes

You dont know who your opponents are, you dont know their champion pools, their skills with certain champions. Its not champion thats OP, its skilled player who makes champion seem OP. You can ban all those, if opponent is more skilled, he will beat u with one of other champions. Bellow challenger/master rank, there is no need for bans at all, since only there people have rough idea who they are facing.

King Odin2 votes

That's really incorrect, some champions don't require skill to be tremendously powerful Garen Katarina Darius Fizz . I can be a god at MonkeyKing top yet all it takes is a decent Garen Darius to destroy me in lane.The reason there are bans is so teams can ban out counter picks/OP Meta champs.

Excitidly Insane1 votes

Let's see you dive a 5 man team with Katarina a la "unskilled" and come out with a kill.

A Liberal1 votes

After the nerfs kat has to pick and choose her fights wisely, fizz is all about timing and knowing when to engage/disengage, I cant speak about darius since I've never really played him, and Garen, while not having the highest skillcap, also isn't super op dmg gg status. If you're the villian, don't go near him. If you're literally anybody else, just ignore him.

Also may I just say that I would not use wukong as an example of a champion that requires skill to be powerful. He is by no means the pinnacle of skill.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

i mean we need atleast 8 or 10 total bans

XaviorZeroBlazer1 votes

every time worlds rolls around everyone wants to ban TwistedFate , in 2 months no one will care

jcwolves1 votes

Having a bunch of strong champions in the meta, as well as only six bans, is part of League. You are almost guaranteed to see at least one, if not more, of the champions listed. So it should be easy, pick champions to counter these and win. Right? :)

Lord Boltrix1 votes

Teemo

Don't care about his win rate, his pick rate, any numbers, anything statistical.

He is evil incarnate.

And bears hate him.

Lugg1 votes

Volibear Hey Teemo. Does crap stick to your fur when you go to the bathroom?

Teemo (Laughs at Voli) No, that must suck for you.

Volibear (Grabs Teemo and uses him to wipe his ass)

The MechE1 votes

Actually, I think this game has too many bans.

Crossette1 votes

XinZhao

DanofDemacia1 votes

if your banning lulu is solo que your retarded

King Odin1 votes

Lulu is quite strong in solo queue due to her ability to play from behind and support her team so well. She can be beaten in lane and still have exponential impact in the game. Also why would you call someone banning a viable to be banned champion retarded?

Squidblimp1 votes

You ban Lulu...? And Kindred? ...And Soraka...? ...Why?

I'm guessing you play assassins actually, those champs cockblock assassins pretty hard.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Some of them should not be on that list, unless you actually can not deal with them personally which is fine. That is how Bans should work, you ban who your team can't handle. It should not be "Pick them, ban them, or lose against them" which is most of those champs you said are.

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