@Riot With all the talk about Udyr...

Doctor Horse·2/9/2016, 10:15:53 PM·4 votes·660 views

I'm just going to throw this out there, copy + pasted from another thread.

"I love how all these people are coming out of the woodwork to whine about Udyr being OP even though they neglect his glaring weaknesses. His spike in winrate and popularity is just a product of 800g Swiftness boots and 10% movement speed on Runic Echoes. All Riot needs to do is adjust the movement speed as you said. Once these items get nerfed I think he's fine.

Although I think there is an opportunity here to rework Udyr while keeping his identity without ruining who he currently is.

I think most of what people complain about can be negated by making Udyr an energy based champion. Energy would be perfect for him, I'm sure Riot could create a way to reward him for combos but stop him from just having a permanent bear stance up all the time. Monkey's Agility would just have to be adjusted to make this possible. Udyr is originally Ionian in his lore (before they updated it but he's still cool with Ionia I think) so he'd be amongst the likes of Akali Shen Kennen and LeeSin (who is actually mentioned in Udyr's lore and brought him to Ionia) so it fits thematically. It gets rid of his awkward early game and prevents him from all the stuff people are complaining about mid-late game. It makes sense, in the process it would also even out the difference between Tiger Stance and Phoenix Stance because one of the main reasons why Tiger Stance isn't as good in the jungle is how much mana it demands. The rest of his kit could be kept the same or similar. I'd actually be VERY EXCITED to see this change come to reality." -My response to this thread http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/LqJuQEeK-riot-lets-talk-about-udyr

I'd like to mention that I've been playing for Udyr since season 2 and have always enjoyed Tigerdyr over the standard Phoenix builds. This idea is based on equalizing the two for the jungle and top lane while adjusting this no risk no reward interaction he has with his stances currently after building mana from item 3078 item 3025 and other items as well. For a champion that operates around a GCD, energy makes perfect sense because players have opportunity to be rewarded for sequencing abilities in a certain way (e.g Lee Sin needs to AA to keep his energy replenished and thus is punished for facerolling) but aren't enabled to spam whatever stance is convenient during late game.

I disagree with the stigma that Udyr is a low skill and toxic champion, if there was more clarity to why he is unique this stigma might be resolved. If the prior suggestion was not enough I have a few other thoughts that might be interesting to implement:

  1. Increase his max level to 20 (no additional skill points but just more scaling for late game)
  2. Unique benefits at max ranks of Tiger Stance and Phoenix Stance (but only one can hit rank 5)
  3. A cast limit on stances (can't be used X number of times in quick succession i.e Q,Q,Q,Q,Q won't work but Q,Q,E,W,Q is fine)
  4. SLIGHTLY quicker AA animations (his current ones feel bad, even on Spirit Guard)
  5. Base nerfs to the shield health of Turtle Stance but a small health scaling (+5% of bonus health.)

If you disagree please explain to me why, I appreciate any and all criticism towards the treatment of my favorite champion.

Thank you for reading this in its entirety.

3 Comments

Doctor Horse2/9/2016, 11:59:45 PM1 votes

Bump, in the hopes that a dialogue can be started.

Darius Strada2/10/2016, 12:13:37 AM1 votes

Energy would be cool but I'm afraid he could be broken.I think Udyr should have a rework overall while maitaining his stances somehow.