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I am not a shit jungler because i did not gank for you

Veigarisgod1·9/10/2016, 3:21:24 PM·12 votes·1,033 views

I am a shit jungler if i did not apply map pressure. I'll try to explain map pressure in my silver 3 laman's definition. (alt account) Map pressure could be anything that hinders the enemy or assists the team. This means that -ganking -counterganking -counterjungling -taking objectives -getting visions on the enemy -donating buffs Are all forms of map pressure. (in varying degrees of impact. For example donating a buff is less impactful than securing ocean drake at 10 minutes).

So if i'm playing udyr, it's 15 minutes into the game, i've only placed 2 green and 1 pink wards, and i've done nothing but afk farm our jungle, im most certainly a shit jungler.

If it's 15 minutes into the game, i've given mid blue twice, i've taken dragon, taken the enemy red/blue side jungle, and counterganked so that bot didn't die 3v2 then helped them get turret FB, i'm most certainly not a shit jungler. I could always improve but i'm not shit.

Exceptions that come to mind are Some jungle champions are designed to gank. LeeSin Diana Evelynn Rengar Vi etc. If they don't gank once even when they hit their powerspike (generally level 6), and there are a lot of opportunistic times for them to gank, then they probably are under performing.

If you have anything to add to this post please tell me in the comments.

since apparently a lot of you are missing one important detail, i'll try to explain. Udyr is not an early pressure jungler. He cannot gank all the effectively, he is fairly slow, and not every lane was gankable, if ever. (yasuo was always pushing nasus to tower, leblanc was mid, and we didn't have an ADC (ap ziggs bot)). If a late game jungler does not ramp up into the late game then there is an issue. If an early game jungler like nid/lee does not apply a lot of early map pressure there is an issue. There is a lot more nuance in this game then "you didn't gank enough, you suck at league"

34 Comments

DrCyanide9/10/2016, 4:20:26 PM2 votes

So if i'm playing udyr, it's 15 minutes into the game, i've only placed 2 green and 1 pink wards, and i've done nothing but afk farm our jungle, im most certainly a shit jungler.

If it's 15 minutes into the game, i've given mid blue twice, i've taken dragon, taken the enemy red/blue side jungle, and counterganked so that bot didn't die 3v2 then helped them get turret FB, i'm most certainly not a shit jungler. I could always improve but i'm not shit.

Can you explain that to other junglers? I'm so tired of junglers that don't give buffs, that don't take dragons, and don't gank/counter gank.

Zero Skill Tank9/10/2016, 3:29:14 PM1 votes

If it's 15 minutes into the game, i've given mid blue twice, i've taken dragon, taken the enemy red/blue side jungle, and counterganked so that bot didn't die 3v2, i'm most certainly not a shit jungler.

If that's all you did in 15 minutes sans farming - yeah, you are. It's half god damn game.

1 countergank does not equalize 6 or 5 enemy could do in that timeframe, donating blue buff also doesn't put your team ahead in any meaningful way, if you taken it for yourself you could make use of it as well.

Dragon is nice, but one dragon in 15 minutes is not impressive at all, and it most likely requiered your team applying high pressure in lanes so enemies wouldn't stop you - pressure they needed to achieve without help from you, while being pressured by enemy jungler.

Taking enemy jungle could almost redeem your 0 ganks jungling here, if you took like 8-9 camps, but you didn't say how many you took.

specter4249/10/2016, 3:57:57 PM1 votes

ur shit because you picked udyr when you could pick broken champs like zac or graves

Slappybiscuit9/10/2016, 4:12:40 PM1 votes

If you havent ganked once in 15 minutes i dont care what you have done short of killing the nexus, youre shit.

Very Hard Engage9/10/2016, 4:23:56 PM1 votes

you're right, you're not a crap jungler because you didn't gank.

you're a crap jungler because you did nothing on the map at all, you stayed in jungle and farmed forever.

and now were 20mins into the game and the enemy team has a 10 kill lead (which you COULD have prevented or EQUALIZED), you chose not to attempt, and now you're prepared to "carry the team on your back" with the 3/5ths total gold you now have from your laner who also, just farmed.

udyr especially has great level 36 ganking potential. hes strong even throughout the first item stage. only later 23items will he get kited and become irrelevant in the team fights, unless ofc, you can flank a carry (which you dont realize is an option)