Is Zed the most frustrating midlaner to have on your team?

ManWithNoBeard··9 votes·1,916 views

Zed is a really high skill cap champion, I only see Diamonds playing him as he should be played. With Yasuo you know that late game he will kill people with his autos, But Zed is complete garbage, I think i lose like 70% of the games with a Zed on my team, It forces either JG to go ap or TOP instead of having a tank. It is like that they only pick Zed to look cool and not really do anything, The only time i see Zed being good in low elo is against a Veigar, who has 0 mobility. Zeds have the least amount of farm, require the most ganks and usually like to flame, A personal observation

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bbQsauçe5 votes

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XxxLumberJackxxX4 votes

[{quoted}](name=bbQ s,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K0krLGXT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-04T12:50:34.135+0000)

Love prejudices.

Zed is actually good late game, he scales insanely well and can just turn a teamfight around if played well.

Why is the mid laner that always has to go AP? Is there a written rule or something? If the mid laner doesn't want to go AP how is it any different from the jungler/top not wanting to go AP? smh.

Maybe they pick Zed because they ENJOY the fucking champion? You know, a video game, played for the FUN of playing.

i actually climbed from gold to diamond maining zed, so screw you and everyone who says Zed isn't good in low elo. Another useless post full of prejudice against a certain champion playerbase. You are the disease of this community and should be ashamed.

He's really bad against ap bc zhonya. He's really bad against the current neta supports- Jana lulu raka, and smart non meta/b tier supports can stop him too -tahm, attic, Ali...

Zed ain't good

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

Zed is actually good late game, he scales insanely well

he is good at 1v1 nothing else. All assasins are good at 1v1 but bad at teamfighting.

Why is the mid laner that always has to go AP?

Because usually top goes something beefy. Tank or a jugg.

Maybe they pick Zed because they ENJOY the fucking champion?

Im afraid assasins are way too weak because they have unhealthy gameplay. Bursting someone in a split second is unhealthy in a teamgame environment. As such they are given counterplay that makes them way too weak. If you pick assasin, prepared to lose hard.

i actually climbed from gold to diamond maining zed, so screw you and everyone who says Zed isn't good in low elo.

Uhuh. Pic or not true.

You are the disease of this community and should be ashamed.

Dude he is just stating his opinion and you say that he should be ashamed? In that case you should be ashamed for playing assasin in a team game.

ShaolinToilet2 votes

Why don't you just look up his account if you don't believe him

MarvelOtter1 votes

[{quoted}](name=bbQ s,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K0krLGXT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-04T12:50:34.135+0000)

Love prejudices.

Zed is actually good late game, he scales insanely well and can just turn a teamfight around if played well.

Why is the mid laner that always has to go AP? Is there a written rule or something? If the mid laner doesn't want to go AP how is it any different from the jungler/top not wanting to go AP? smh.

Maybe they pick Zed because they ENJOY the fucking champion? You know, a video game, played for the FUN of playing.

i actually climbed from gold to diamond maining zed, so screw you and everyone who says Zed isn't good in low elo. Another useless post full of prejudice against a certain champion playerbase. You are the disease of this community and should be ashamed.

jungle/top tank/ fighter usually. sometimes you get a rumble or something but thats rare. bot-adc and sup, sup is usually a smaller tank or healer who just pretends to do ap damage this of course leaves the mid to deal magic damage or get countered by armor.

ManWithNoBeard2 votes

[{quoted}](name=bbQ s,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K0krLGXT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-04T12:50:34.135+0000)

Love prejudices.

Zed is actually good late game, he scales insanely well and can just turn a teamfight around if played well.

Why is the mid laner that always has to go AP? Is there a written rule or something? If the mid laner doesn't want to go AP how is it any different from the jungler/top not wanting to go AP? smh.

Maybe they pick Zed because they ENJOY the fucking champion? You know, a video game, played for the FUN of playing.

i actually climbed from gold to diamond maining zed, so screw you and everyone who says Zed isn't good in low elo. Another useless post full of prejudice against a certain champion playerbase. You are the disease of this community and should be ashamed.

Zed is bad late game. The ADCs now have so much support that its impossible to burst them, Late game Zed ults the tank to run away, Zed is not played in Challenger because of his ultra low late game.

SnugglePuggle945 votes

[{quoted}](name=bbQ s,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K0krLGXT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-04T12:50:34.135+0000)

Zed is actually good late game, he scales insanely well and can just turn a teamfight around if played well.

Ahem, what? He has like the worst team fight phase in the game. No CC, jumps in at the ADC then bam either dies or gets out. I always hate having a Zed on the team cause I usually always lose- either cause of 1) they suck, 2) team fight phase is horrible cause of said mid, 3) they fed horribly, or any combination of those.

And then when a Zed is one the enemy team, I end up losing too cause they always seem to be like God tier and do really well. So he's a perma ban for me at least, but lately I've been banning Kayn cause he's freakin annoying.

TheGreatNinx1 votes

So zeds have the same problems as yasuo.... Wounder how many more assassins have this problem right now ;/

Serika Zero2 votes

all assassins are bad in the late game. That's the hardest part of the game for them. This includes even Katarina.

The reason late game is hard for assassins in general is because the enemy team is grouped and you cannot survive focus fire for 5 enemy membrs and also, the enemy team will have heals, shields and exhausts available for them to shut down your damage. Zed also fucks up your team's damage composition because there's very few AP champions viable in the jungle (most are AD) and a medium amount of top APs.

With Zed, you need to win the early game. And as an assassin, you have the tools to win your lane starting with level 2 or at worst, level 3. I also remember when Zed was strong and he had like 80% ban ratio because he could easily kill adcs and pealing supports such as janna and lulu weren't meta.

The thing with AP junglers is. Here's the list of AP junglers: http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics sort by junglers. Amumu - tank Cho - tank Diana - good, ap damage. Mundo - tank Elise - good ap damage early on, scales awful into late game, so, she's middle of the road, you will stick lack ap damage later into the game and the enemy tank can just build AD, but you got AP early on, so, that's a good thing?? Eve - gona be good post rework, right now, she's not really an AP champ Fiddle - sucks Gragas- tank Ivern - tank support Nunu - tank Ramus - tank Rumble - good ap damage source Sejuani - tank

So, out of those. The only ones that can count as AP damage source is: Diana, Fiddle (which sucks big time), Elise (but she falls off badly), Rumble and that's it. Eve will join the pool post rework. And I figure out, then playing AD mids will be easier as AP Eve is going to be quite popular (unless banned).

As for top laners. You got: Akali - good AP damage, but not good as an AP damage source against tanks. Will still force any top lane 'tank' to build ap otherwise she will stop lane. Ekko - no idea Fizz - no idea Gragas - tank Heimer - good Khartus - good Kayle - good Kennen - usually goes ad Lissandra - good Malzahar - good Malphite - tank Maokai - tank Mordekaiser - no idea Rumble - good Ryze - good Singed - good Swain - good Teemo - good Vlad - good

So, in this list we have. Akali, Heimer, Khartus, Kayle, Lissandra, Malzahar, Ryze, Swain, Singed, Teemo and Vlad. And potentially Ekko, Fozz, Mordekaiser.

Now, real question. How often do you see this picks? Such as: Diana, Fiddle or Rumble in the jungle? Or the top laners that I've mentioned?

Its quite rare, that's why people expect usually mid to play AD. I'm an akali/katarina player. And can take akali top without an issue. Hence, this problem is not for me. But, a lot of players do not like AD mids for this reason, because your comp will usually end up full AD and the enemy tank can build very much anti AD and win more easily. Meanwhile, if nobody plays tanks................ then, it doesn't really matter lool.

But still. How can you claim Zed is good in the late game? Especially if you played Zed from gold to dia? He still is an assassin and falls under the assassins's short comings. Even the reset queen Katarina is week in the late game. Assassins's power spike is usually from lv 2-3 (or 6 specifically in the cases like diana where you only get your gap closer at 6) and in the mid game. Then they start to fall off.

ManWithNoBeard1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K0krLGXT,comment-id=00010005,timestamp=2017-10-04T18:14:31.710+0000)

all assassins are bad in the late game. That's the hardest part of the game for them. This includes even Katarina.

The reason late game is hard for assassins in general is because the enemy team is grouped and you cannot survive focus fire for 5 enemy membrs and also, the enemy team will have heals, shields and exhausts available for them to shut down your damage. Zed also fucks up your team's damage composition because there's very few AP champions viable in the jungle (most are AD) and a medium amount of top APs.

With Zed, you need to win the early game. And as an assassin, you have the tools to win your lane starting with level 2 or at worst, level 3. I also remember when Zed was strong and he had like 80% ban ratio because he could easily kill adcs and pealing supports such as janna and lulu weren't meta.

The thing with AP junglers is. Here's the list of AP junglers: http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics sort by junglers. Amumu - tank Cho - tank Diana - good, ap damage. Mundo - tank Elise - good ap damage early on, scales awful into late game, so, she's middle of the road, you will stick lack ap damage later into the game and the enemy tank can just build AD, but you got AP early on, so, that's a good thing?? Eve - gona be good post rework, right now, she's not really an AP champ Fiddle - sucks Gragas- tank Ivern - tank support Nunu - tank Ramus - tank Rumble - good ap damage source Sejuani - tank

So, out of those. The only ones that can count as AP damage source is: Diana, Fiddle (which sucks big time), Elise (but she falls off badly), Rumble and that's it. Eve will join the pool post rework. And I figure out, then playing AD mids will be easier as AP Eve is going to be quite popular (unless banned).

As for top laners. You got: Akali - good AP damage, but not good as an AP damage source against tanks. Will still force any top lane 'tank' to build ap otherwise she will stop lane. Ekko - no idea Fizz - no idea Gragas - tank Heimer - good Khartus - good Kayle - good Kennen - usually goes ad Lissandra - good Malzahar - good Malphite - tank Maokai - tank Mordekaiser - no idea Rumble - good Ryze - good Singed - good Swain - good Teemo - good Vlad - good

So, in this list we have. Akali, Heimer, Khartus, Kayle, Lissandra, Malzahar, Ryze, Swain, Singed, Teemo and Vlad. And potentially Ekko, Fozz, Mordekaiser.

Now, real question. How often do you see this picks? Such as: Diana, Fiddle or Rumble in the jungle? Or the top laners that I've mentioned?

Its quite rare, that's why people expect usually mid to play AD. I'm an akali/katarina player. And can take akali top without an issue. Hence, this problem is not for me. But, a lot of players do not like AD mids for this reason, because your comp will usually end up full AD and the enemy tank can build very much anti AD and win more easily. Meanwhile, if nobody plays tanks................ then, it doesn't really matter lool.

But still. How can you claim Zed is good in the late game? Especially if you played Zed from gold to dia? He still is an assassin and falls under the assassins's short comings. Even the reset queen Katarina is week in the late game. Assassins's power spike is usually from lv 2-3 (or 6 specifically in the cases like diana where you only get your gap closer at 6) and in the mid game. Then they start to fall off.

Fiddlesticks is the best AP jungler by far. He is hard to master.

Serika Zero1 votes

he is in a really weird spot this entire season. personally i was surprised to see he even has a positive win ratio when checking...

iDarkWind5 votes

Not the best pick to be honest, but I enjoy play him a lot. He offers a lot of kill pressure at lv6 and can snowball plus use that snowball to help his teammates also by roaming. I think you can argue that Talon does almost the same if not better, but the thing is with Zed you can be so unpredictable and you know, it just feels great when you manage to pull out an amazing play by outsmarting your enemies. I don't think you should think that everytime a Zed is in your team he will feed, that's being generalistic.

Zed is hard to play, and there are champions that do his job better and easier, but... I don't know. I just fuking love that Shadow Style no Jutsu ninja.

Also the thing about forcing your teammates to pick AP, shouldn't you also think: "Aren't we forcing the mid laner playing AP?". Just because you're mid laner it doesn't mean you have to pick AP. Keep that in mind.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER4 votes

Shaco syndrome

ZED G0D2 votes

Depends, I'm a bronze 3 zed...kek...but I usually have 1st or 2nd most amount of farm in the whole game, I HATE ganks because the jg usually just feeds lane, I just tell the jg to gank other lanes because I can take care of mine just fine... In teamfights I am the last to engage always, I just go straight to the adc if possible, and take them out of the fight.

ManWithNoBeard1 votes

{quoted}

Depends, I'm a bronze 3 zed...kek...but I usually have 1st or 2nd most amount of farm in the whole game, I HATE ganks because the jg usually just feeds lane, I just tell the jg to gank other lanes because I can take care of mine just fine... In teamfights I am the last to engage always, I just go straight to the adc if possible, and take them out of the fight.

You're Bronze 3, That means you can't really take care of your lane.

Velzard of Koz14 votes

Uhm... But he also plays against Bronze players... If they both can't take care of their lane they are even.

ManWithNoBeard1 votes

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Uhm... But he also plays against Bronze players... If they both can't take care of their lane they are even.

I gave you a thumbs up, But It is still a Bronzenanza, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

It does in laning.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

Depends on the champion to be honnest.

Zed genius2 votes

i actually see kassadins doing way worse for some reason going 1/11 versus mages every single game, but zed is pretty close on my dodge list when he is on my team (kinda ironic huh)

Alex h87211 votes

Thats b/c kassadin's early game is super weak and the kassadin player if he's not very good is probably gonna feed a kill or 2 before 6 where zed gets the safety of his shadows at level 2 or 3, which also can help him bully/zone his opposing laner from a safe distance, kassadin on the other hand is gonna be the one getting bullied, to some extent even after level 6

Ahris1 votes

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i actually see kassadins doing way worse for some reason going 1/11 versus mages every single game, but zed is pretty close on my dodge list when he is on my team (kinda ironic huh)

I never saw a kass go 1/11. I always see most of time Zed carrying the team. Not sure why you think he is hard or bad.

Edit: checked your history and you play a good number of Kassadin. And you are always doing well with him. So much for him going 1\11 against every mage. You are such a troll.

Zed genius1 votes

that's why im saying "for some reason" .The champion is good but people INT on himKassadin

Ahris1 votes

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that's why im saying "for some reason" .The champion is good but people INT on himKassadin

I guess you also int with Zed from the way you speak of him.

Zed genius1 votes

and then you are wondering why i'm memeing ahri players lmao

Catastrop2 votes

That's a strange way of spelling Yasuo.

Zed is good, pretty balanced at that too. It's just that in this game, balanced doesn't cut it. It also doesn't help that lots of bad players flock to him, so that just bogs the champion down.

DracosKasu1 votes

It is probally get worse with the new timewatch since it is a core item on 3 of the endgame item.

I have my share of hate on zed but i kinda hate the fact that hyper carry make him mostly useless.

I do believe he is balanced overall but the enchanter support and support item give too much currently to actually allow zed to do his job correctly.

EkyonKun1 votes

Odd. No matter what, I always see the enemy Zed have around 12 kills 15 minutes into the game even if I didn't give him a single kill and followed all his roams. Maybe it's one of those: "Their X vs my X" situations.

Spank the Fox1 votes

Kayn is a better Zed right now.

Kayn has better syngery with Duskblade, a litte more utility but most importantly, Kayn's deaggro ability (R) is infintely better in a fight than Zed's ult.

xHawk1 votes

Except Kayn's early game is incredibly weak allowing him to be bullied out by any decent early game jungler, and the late game tanks also destroy him due to him having less combat mobility than zed

Spank the Fox1 votes

Who's talking about jungle Kayn?

Rainfall1 votes

zed is a champion that counterpicks some mages way too hard.And like all champions that counterpick a set of champions hard he will always be on a moderate winrate and banrate. you want zed to be buffed but half the mages in the game are immobile and have a bad matchup against zed. Not to mention the fact that zed forces exhaust/barrier and armor on mages.

Truly Prideful1 votes

It's Zed and Yasuo for me. If they're on my team they will feed like apes, but if they're on the enemy team they play like Faker 2.0.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

ever supported a kalista?

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