As a person who's first champion ever was Udyr, First champion that i mained and i still have feelings for this guy, This made me cry on the inside. Udyr is USELESS and even when i have really tried playing him, He is still garbage! Remember the last time Udyr was good. The good ol' FeralFlare.
This Champion needs a rework. No one actually plays him, The only Champion that has no database in OP.GG
Marshbouy11 votesEh. It helps that CC heavy supports are in bot lane and adcs have so much dps to them. I think udyr is a very meta dependent champion like ezreal is. He's either godlike and abusing items in a way no one really thought was possible or utter garbage and useless. I get the feeling that if they meta shifts in his favor again he'll be a FOTM god again.
That still means he needs a rework.
Xion Reaper1 voteswhens the last time hes been a FOTM champ? back when people were going runic echoes on him? even then it wasnt like people were picking him consistantly.
Marshbouy15 votesHe was a monster during the runic echoes phase. IDK what you are talking about.
50000000000000006 votesFeral Flare, Sated Devourer, Runic Echoes... These are some examples.
RainXBlade1 votesUdyr sure can be a handful when certain items like that exist in the game.
The Deckowner10 votessated devourer and runeglave/runic echo, never forget.
Xion Reaper1 votesI miss my full ad tiger devourer [zombie-nunu-bummed]
iPooUnicorns7 votesOne of the biggest victims of mobility creep. The only way to make him viable without a full rework is to give him OP stats. Essentially the same stands for Volibear as well.
Mysticman894 votesAt first I thought that was a cheeky photoshop, but that's actually pretty sad since it's not.
Maybe some of the new runes will make udyr life a bit better?
ManWithNoBeard5 votesAt first I thought that was a cheeky photoshop, but that's actually pretty sad since it's not.
Maybe some of the new runes will make udyr life a bit better?
Udyr needs a ground rework, Sion type. His kit is good for power farming and split pushing, 1 v 1. Current meta is GANK, GANK, GANK. Team fight, team fight, team fight. These are not the times where one can win by split pushing, Back then Udyr could destroy towers without minions, Now even someone like Nasus would have trouble doing that.
Meep Man3 votesThe main reason Udyr stinks in my opinion is he isn't correctly made up for his lack of ultimate. Sure, he IS compensated, but not enough. Udyr is only really powerful these days when an item breaks him. Udyr should really feel like a beast, and he doesn't too often. He needs a better late game especially. I think he should get a bonus once he levels a Stance to max level as a "smooth me over until my big update" update making him choose which stance he isn't going to get the super boost in.
Mysticman894 votesNot convinced "he doesn't work in this meta" is a good argument for a rework, although yes he does need one.
Metas will shift, and preseason in particular is likely to completely shake stuff up, so for all we know a splitpush meta might fall out and udyr will be at least functional, even if he still needs work.
ManWithNoBeard3 votesNot convinced "he doesn't work in this meta" is a good argument for a rework, although yes he does need one.
Metas will shift, and preseason in particular is likely to completely shake stuff up, so for all we know a splitpush meta might fall out and udyr will be at least functional, even if he still needs work.
Lets face it, The split push meta will not come back, Because RIOT doesn't want someone to solo carry a game. If they bring back split push, Suddenly TOP laners become power picks. RIOT does not want TOP lane to be known as lonely island.
Mysticman891 votesI never said such a meta would last, but in the midst of preseason madness anything could shake out (including and probably likely something riot didn't intend) until riot has enough time to sort everything out, so he could still have his window, and with any luck a vgu team would be working on him during that time.
LordGeovanni2 votespre season hasnt shook anything but which adcs are dominant since season 4
LordGeovanni3 votesa few days ago udyr had data and aatrox had none
Ashen Rider3 votesThe last time Udyr was good was Runic Echoes Frozen Gauntlet Udyr, wasn't it?
OP Garen Support3 votesThats not true I play him quite a lot.(on aram the Gods hate me)
Xion Reaper1 votesUdyr was my first champion ever, and hes still my main in my heart (even though I now have more points on Yasuo kappa) I think I currently have like 179k points on him but I honestly dont even play him anymore which sucks ass to be completely honest. there will be games where I will be 7/0/5 and will start to struggle after the enemy teams laning phases have ended (no, im not just throwing my lead). Recently just been playing Yasuo since he has pretty nice splitpushing and mobility which is something i liked about Udyr. I dont know how they would rework him without essentially changing the fundamentals of his kit.
nGio1 votesMy Spirit Guard is under a mountain of dust, while they spam new skins, and leave Udyr as a complete dumpster fire.
Arakadia1 votesHe's had some pretty strong times since Feral flare.
SzGamer2271 votesop.gg is not a great site for champion stats. Try leagueofgraphs.com
Anyways, Udyr isn't the worst-off champion in the game right now. Nunu is played just as infrequently and has a terrible win rate. Skarner is the least played champion in the game.
ManWithNoBeard1 votesop.gg is not a great site for champion stats. Try leagueofgraphs.com
Anyways, Udyr isn't the worst-off champion in the game right now. Nunu is played just as infrequently and has a terrible win rate. Skarner is the least played champion in the game.
Nunu vs Udyr
Nunu: Has fantastic early game, Probably one of the best, He is a counter jungling monster, His ult makes for great crowd control and with his Q he can essentially win any smiting battle. His E is a great ganking tool, Couple that with his W to boost your ADC it makes him for a bad time for anyone against him.
Cons: Nunu is situational, Thrives in teams with early power spikes, Nunu is what i call the MID GAME God(25 to 40 mins). He falls off late game(40+), At this point the enemy jungler should be full build and becomes a bigger threat than Nunu.
Udyr: Bad early, Bad mid, Bad late.
SzGamer2271 votesNunu is a liability to his team until the 50 minute mark. Up until that point, he has an abysmal win rate that spans from 30% at the 15 minute mark up to 45% at 25 minutes, and increases ever so slowly until he finally becomes good well after most games will have already ended.
Udyr is bad. His win rate scales up from 45% early game and very briefly breaks 50% at the 40-45 minute mark before falling off like a brick post 50. But with Nunu performing worse over a longer period of the game, Udyr is definitely preferable.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/udyr https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nunu
I honest to god don't know why you're so butthurt about me saying "your former main is in fact not the worst jungler in the game, but is rather the second worst". Because this doesn't detract from your main point at all. Udyr is awful and sad and needs a rework.
######Oh, and by the way, op.gg only shows stats for champions if they have 2000 games compiled for them. Udyr is just under this threshold, just like Nunu and Skarner managed to scrape just above it. Their RNG polling system just got a few extra Nunu/Skarner games and a few less Udyr games this patch, but it doesn't mean that there is literally no data on Udyr.
ManWithNoBeard1 votesNunu is a liability to his team until the 50 minute mark. Up until that point, he has an abysmal win rate that spans from 30% at the 15 minute mark up to 45% at 25 minutes, and increases ever so slowly until he finally becomes good well after most games will have already ended.
Udyr is bad. His win rate scales up from 45% early game and very briefly breaks 50% at the 40-45 minute mark before falling off like a brick post 50. But with Nunu performing worse over a longer period of the game, Udyr is definitely preferable.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/udyr https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nunu
I honest to god don't know why you're so butthurt about me saying "your former main is in fact not the worst jungler in the game, but is rather the second worst". Because this doesn't detract from your main point at all. Udyr is awful and sad and needs a rework.
######Oh, and by the way, op.gg only shows stats for champions if they have 2000 games compiled for them. Udyr is just under this threshold, just like Nunu and Skarner managed to scrape just above it. Their RNG polling system just got a few extra Nunu/Skarner games and a few less Udyr games this patch, but it doesn't mean that there is literally no data on Udyr.
That picture proves you wrong, And i trust op.gg more than you.
SzGamer2271 votesYou trust op.gg, a stat site that can't even gather enough data on champions to display stats on all of them?
Over a million people play Udyr every month (that's people who play him; actual number of games played goes far beyond that) and op.gg can't even find two thousand games with Udyr in it. At best, that means op.gg builds a picture of the game that reflects 0.2% of actual games played.
These are the charts I'm basing this on.
https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/GNptYub.png
https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/GNpu10Q.png
Stats are based on games played at Gold+ across all regions.
ManWithNoBeard1 votesYou trust op.gg, a stat site that can't even gather enough data on champions to display stats on all of them?
Over a million people play Udyr every month (that's people who play him; actual number of games played goes far beyond that) and op.gg can't even find two thousand games with Udyr in it. At best, that means op.gg builds a picture of the game that reflects 0.2% of actual games played.
These are the charts I'm basing this on.
Stats are based on games played at Gold+ across all regions.
That is the biggest load i have ever seen.
SzGamer2271 votesI can't argue with stubbornness. But as of last year, over 100 million people play League of Legends every month, and you'll have to forgive me for not putting my trust in a stat site that can't even find data on a champion with a 1% win rate.
If you're so biased as to discredit any claim that there is another champion in the game that is equally outdated and nonviable as Udyr solely because you being a former Udyr main makes you think that Udyr is the only outdated and nonviable jungler in the game, I'm just going to lmao and move on.
I've got no time to waste here anymore. You give me a picture, so I give you two pictures and discredit your source, and all I get in response is "that's bull". You're less interactive than pre-reword Darius! XD
No one wants to have a discussion with someone on a touchy subject on unless they're downvote farming. Lucky for you (me?), I eat salty downvotes for breakfast.
hmu fam [sg-syndra]
ZeroAgainst1 voteswell they destroyed skarners kit and when u play him u gotta play mario party 9 when he use to be mario party 3 and was fun af
FCJAAAAGOOOO1 votesUdyr was designed for an age that would tolerate any sort of playstyle, even Bruiser gasp.
Udyr is a total mess. One of the only ways he'll be viable in this state is if he had 500+ range...and a gun...
...adc Udyr rework confirmed?
Worst Kench NA1 votesUdyr was designed for an age that would tolerate any sort of playstyle, even Bruiser gasp.
Udyr is a total mess. One of the only ways he'll be viable in this state is if he had 500+ range...and a gun...
...adc Udyr rework confirmed?
You joke about this, but I went 19/1 as ADC Udyr in a game recently.
General Esdeath 1 votesWhere is that screenshot from?
DrCyanide1 voteshttp://na.op.gg/champion/statistics
To be fair, it was worse. A few patches ago they had "RIP" on Aatrox, Udyr, and Volibear, now it's just Udyr. Aatrox got some direct buffs, I'm not sure what pulled Voli up.
squido1 votesRip trick2g
It Hertz When IP1 votesBecause he's a ball of stats right-clicker with little to no room for error in his kit. That means he will always be OP or dumpster material depending on his stats, no real middle ground.
He desperately needs a rework. At the very least, change SOMETHING so his abilities aren't literally 4 AA modifiers.
TheDevice1 votesWelp... there's always Trundle who you can play support, top, jg, and kill every tank while building all damage and never dying and providing ambient support and split pushing top and opening da gates and killing everyone and ajd%%%lkj
Barcid1 votesI dunno. Have you seen Volibear?
He's actually doing worse.
Sp33d Zer01 votesUdyr has gotten a ton of mini reworks. He got a small gap closer on his bear stance, he got a extra cones of attack on his phoenix, he got a better dot+burst combo with his tiger stance, and his turtle stance got reworked to be even better for healing him.
All of which did nothing.
If we REALLY want Udyr to become a meta champion again, he will no longer be the Udyr you know. It would ned to be a sion/shen/poppy level rework.
