Why don't Vayne's Silverbolts scale of AD?

An Undead brat·Jun 17, 2016·2 votes·452 views

I recently made a post about tanky Vayne builds (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/3VVbW9wi-tanky-adc-builds-are-destroyed-with-mom-and-sg-passive-becoming-unique) and when I was looking up why does it work so good, I found out her maxed W deals FLAT 12% of target's max. health. When Fiora was found a problem building tanky, her passive's base dmg went down and AD scaling up.

BUT I doubt noone did discuss this before since Vayne isn't a new champion at all and this was newer a problem. Could please someone explain to me why this treatment wasn't applied to her?

Edit: OK OK, I did not think people would be this stupid.... Of course I don't mean 12% +X % per AD!!! More like 3% +X % per AD.

12 Comments

Guy Fox TeemoJun 17, 20163 votes

No because if it scaled off AD, she'd be forced into heavy AD builds and she'd be useless if you didn't win teh lane, thats it has no scalings so she will always have some power when behind (Since she's 100% autos)

An Undead bratJun 17, 20162 votes

So you mean every other ADC?

Guy Fox TeemoJun 17, 20163 votes

No because other adcs don't actually rely on 100% autos, nothing in Vayne's kit does anything out side of autos besides her E.

Caitlyn, Lucian, Corki, Ezreal, Graves, Jhin, etc. Do a lot of other things out side of just autos; Unlike Vayne who legit just has autos, nothing else.

An Undead bratJun 17, 20161 votes

Cause AD empowers only abilities and certainly not autos. Plus all other ADC's have a stun/knockback, too! Why is Vayne even played, when her kit does nothing? I wonder...

Now seriously, if we count only highly damaging abilities (which Vayne's Q doesn't = does nothing, right?), let's make a list:

Caitlyn: Q, R
Lucian: Q, R
Corki: Q, E, R (but we can all agree Corki's a little special and barely AAs)
Graves: Q, R
Jhin: Q, (W late), (E very potentionally), R (Jhin is another very special)
Ashe: W, R...?
Sivir: Q
Draven: Q, R
Jinx: W, R
Kalista: Q
Kog'Maw: R
Kindred: Q, W...?
MF: Q, E...?, R
Quinn: Q
Tristana: R
Twitch:
Varus: Q, E
Urgot: Q

The rest of their kit IS AA RELIANT or utility. I hope you won't convice me that even half of their damage lies in their Qs or Rs...

Guy Fox TeemoJun 17, 20162 votes

I'm not saying that half there damage comes from there abilitys, what I'm saying is they have other ways to do damage besides autos, where as Vayne doesn't. (She only does damage off her autos, her abilities are there just to amplify the damage of her autos)

Also I didn't mean to say "all other adcs", I'd say "most". Most Adcs who rely only on autos with no other avenues of damage, have some ability that amplifies there autos, but none of them are true damage, hence why most of them have scalings (Ashe , or Dravens Q for example)

An Undead bratJun 17, 20161 votes

That's it, her is true damage, which is the strongest, so does she get it free just from maxing the spell? That what allows her to build tanky and still deal the same damage. As I said, when Fiora was problem for building tanky, she got base dmg (the only dmg Vayne has) lowered and buffed scaling (which is nonexistent on Vayne). That's what I'm comparing.

And that's it, MOST of Marksmen abilities are bound to their autos, she's nothing special (Kalista's E, Tristana's E/Q, Lucian's passive - core of the playstyle, Varus' W, Twitch's whole goddamn kit again, Quinn's passive - another core, Cait - another, Ashe's Q, Sivir's W, Kog's W). My point here is you say Vayne is uncomparable to others. No. Absolutely not true.

AhristocatsJun 17, 20162 votes

should start at 6 or 8% and scale to 14 or 16% , that way it is fair. AND PREVENT her from abusing attack speed in early since she needs AD to do damage with her W.

An Undead bratJun 17, 20161 votes

Thank you, that's what I'm talking about.

Mecha MaIphiteJun 17, 20161 votes

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO KILL IT BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS

CaítlynJun 17, 20161 votes

I agree, they should start at 12% and scale up to a max of 24% with AD! Great idea! [slayer-jinx-wink]

NarsicusJun 17, 20161 votes

It already scales with attack speed since you need 3 hits for every proc which means Vayne does need to buy damage oriented items to gain full benefit from the silver bolts.

Even in the 'tanky' build you posted 4 of the 6 items were offensive and attack speed oriented and 2 could be considered tank options.

Calling this 'tank' Vayne is a little disingenuous, this is really attack speed Vayne and attack speed is certainly a offensive stat.

An Undead bratJun 17, 20161 votes

The thing is it scales ONLY with attack speed, which other ADC's need too, but most importantly, you DON'T actually need it to do dmg, especially with this kiting potential (dash on 2 s. CD + invisibility when ult is active, Frozen Mallet item 3022 ). Another thing is only 3 of these items are offensive and one of them are boots. So it gives 3 tanky items total which is way too much for an ADC, which might SOMETIMES buy one, when it needs it. I understand the build diversity, but if one build is squishy and deals damage and the second one is tanky and deals damage, it's obvious which one you will build and that deletes build diversity, it only need a proplayer to try it, regular players will notice it and BOOM the squishy build is nonexistent (hi Ekko).