How do I avoid a Shaco? (early and late game)

CorgiParade··1 votes·906 views

I main Ahri, so obviously I'm in mid lane a lot. Whenever I'm up against a Shaco, I always end up doing terrible. I don't see how I can avoid him pre-6. I can't afford to spend the extra gold on pink wards at that point, and I personally find his invisibility to be bullshit. That and his slows together make for a bitch of a gank.

Late game Shaco is another story. Ahri is naturally squishy and Shaco does a SHIT TON of damage to me. I always get instantly destroyed without any chance of counterplay because of his jack in the boxes.

Is there something I'm not doing? -.-

22 Comments

Calabok2 votes

just stay between the TWO TOWERS and when he tries to come near, you'll see him and blow him a hello kiss.

Vayneoholic1 votes

you are just bad.

CorgiParade1 votes

You're in bronze 1.

Vayneoholic1 votes

i am and i dont care :0

CorgiParade2 votes

Basically you're just a hypocrite then. Cool.

PePsiLemoNN1 votes

You have Shaco's Q range x3 on your ult ..

CorgiParade1 votes

... So? I can't do anything if I don't have my ult, now can I? I also can't do anything if I am instantly stuck in "fear" and he kills me in half a second, can I?

PePsiLemoNN1 votes

Ahri does exactly the same thing but instead of fearing the enemy away she drags them under her turret .-.

CorgiParade1 votes

... No, she really doesn't do the same thing at all. Both are disables, sure, but that's it.

Ahri's charm can be dodged. It has a delay. IT'S NOT INVISIBLE.

Varda1 votes

Upgrade your trinket to a pink trinket.

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The Whamboozler1 votes

Ahri isn't naturally squishy. If you're building her as a glass cannon assassin she is... if your build is more of a prolonged teamfighter build with core items like item 3116 + item 3157 he shouldn't one-shot you... not before you can ult into the next county at least.

Shaco is someone I've played a lot. He's fun but he's actually pretty weak right now. His early game is good... his ganks are brutal and he can invade the enemy jungle well. That's about IT. The biggest threat from Shaco is that he can and will make the first 10 minutes of the game a nightmare. Pretend he's Eve and just accept that him being on the enemy team means you need to play safe. If he doesn't get fed, he's unable to be an assassin lategame and he'll be reduced to an annoying splitpusher and little else.

How you beat Shaco is by keeping him from pushing the game into the kind he wants it to be. Shaco wants to... gank early, snowball himself or preferably his laners a lot early... have THEM win lanes and get a huge lead... and then finish the game before his lack of endgame power gets his team stomped. If your team loses to him early... or you can't deal with a splitpusher AT ALL... you're gonna have a bad time. Lategame he's a sub-par Rengar. He CAN appear in the middle of your team and attack a squishy, but he'll die almost instantly and if he used his stealth to get in, he's got no way out. If he's fed, he might not care if he dies as long as he can blow up your carry. If he's not he'll probably just appear in five people, get CC'ed and die.

Early game, you avoid Shaco by playing your lane safe and respecting that this is when he is VERY STRONG. He's an ambusher, so play under the assumption that if you don't see him on the map, he could be setting up a trap for you in every bush you see. Late game, if your team hasn't fallen behind much, you can usually just engage teamfights 4v5 when you see him start splitpushing. Even a little behind you can win a 4v5 fight... then shove towers down way harder than he likely can... or even send a person back to chase him off. He's slippery so you probably won't KILL him, but keeping him from accomplishing anything is enough. The only time late game shaco is scary is if you're squishy and alone (And why would you EVER DO THAT!?) or if he's fed as hell. Don't let him get fed as hell. Play smart. Shaco only wins if he outsmarts you... he stomps on reckless laners and overly-cocky and aggressive players. Don't be one. Not until he's fallen off, at least.

CorgiParade1 votes

I'm going to point out that "naturally squishy" doesn't apply to her build, it applies to her base stats. Also, I ALMOST NEVER build both Rylai's AND Zhonya's in the same game unless I really need to... In which case I'd have to replace one with a void staff.

Anyways, I would be alone because three or four of the people on the enemy team are dead and I'm either pushing or chasing a fourth person.

xRalinx1 votes

Spend the 75g

CorgiParade1 votes

Not a great option early game because I'm lazy, but I'll do it

Kaioko1 votes

If you really can't afford the 75 gold then play super defensively but honestly EVERYONE can afford the 75 gold especially when there's a shaco.

CorgiParade1 votes

Yeh but muh items ;-;

Do you know how much I hate being ~20 gold away from an item? Very much. Do you know how much I'd hate being ~100 gold away from an item? Much more than that.

I guess I will if I have to

[zombie-nunu-tears]

DrCyanide1 votes

~20 gold = ~ 1 CS ~100 gold = ~5 CS

I'm pretty sure it's easier to get 5 CS while you're still alive than when you're looking at a gray screen.


Other than that, ward further out. This is a Shaco we're talking about, he's going to stealth-dash over walls, so you need to see him before he gets to said walls. Wards near the ramps at the enemy raptor camp should help.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

First off, the best thing you can get for 75 gold is a pink ward. Try not to put it near his wraith camp because if he smites it there goes your pink ward. Make good use of your trinket wards by putting them deeper than just the brush right next to mid lane, that does nothing vs a shaco. keep on the look out for his poof of orange smoke that can be seen through the fog of war. Be wary of the enemy mid laner. Are they randomly moving closer to the right side? Are they getting more or significantly less aggressive with spells? Do they have enough mana for their CC or mobility spell? All of these things can point towards a gank.

Late game your team should be pink warding, you should have a red trinket, aaand he shouldn't be an issue.

CorgiParade1 votes

What do you mean, if he smites it there goes my pink ward? My pink wards are visible anyways.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

You can't see a pink ward in a bush unless you go into that bush. Stick the pink ward somewhere he isn't likely to go, but still gives you vision of when he walks past.

For example, bush behind his blue buff or red buff, bush behind your blue buff or red buff. Shows you when he's in the area, but he'll most likely never actually go in that bush.

Gated D Latch1 votes

Early game don't push lane. That's the biggest and most common mistake people make when playing against shaco.

Crossette1 votes

Ban him.

No seriously.

You can't fight Shaco unless you're an ultra tank with tenacity.

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