Darius Has Much Better Sustain, CC and Damage Than Garen

King Odin··6 votes·719 views

Riot fixed Darius's issue which was sustain and now that he has that he's simply too strong currently, he has little counterplay with his passive and true damage dunk. Whilst Garen has all the issues he has before except that per chance he gets to his target he will deal more damage. His CC is now ignorable against tenacity and he's still kited pretty easily and not to mention he's entirely reliant on items to do his job. But now that his MS was nerfed this makes his laning phase even weaker and his engager poorer. Garen is supposed to the king of sustain but he simply doesn't match up to Darius when it comes to fighting. Sure Garen can take a breather and heal up for 10 seconds but Darius can do that and entirely ruin a team just by doing his job and doing damage.

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Big Lincoln9 votes

Darius has counterplay in you not letting him get his passive off and denying him his heal, or bringing displacements to make him unable to get near someone to heal.

Darius has much lower damage until he gets his passive off; Garen's damage is all upfront with no condition to it other than "stay near them." Makes complete sense that he can do more damage in a short time span but will lose an extended trade with him. Garen isn't required to stay in a fight; he can unload his combo and then take a moment to heal let his cooldowns come up. Darius has to stay in the fight.

Darius can't run from a fight on low health and do anything but recall, while Garen will be able to retreat long enough to heal back up and be ready to defend a siege or stall an objective. Darius can't disengage at all unless he has the threat of you following him with enough stacks of his passive he could turn, pop his AD steroid and win the fight, which is not something you should be doing anyway.

they serve completely different purposes, I don't see how comparing them is fair. Darius is meant to carry extended fights, Garen is mostly geared towards just shitting out damage and using his Villain mechanic to take out a carry

Stephenizgod1 votes

Ok that is true but Darius staying in a fight is what he wants... his Q continues to heal him and the moment he gets 5 stacks its fun dunking time.... Garen walks in and gets one person, Darius walks in and prays to his gods that all 5 stay near him until he can dunk them all.

The point of the complaining about Darius is laning against him is pretty miserable if you are not ranged or have reliable ranged poke.

Ralanr2 votes

Well Darius is suppose to be more fight focused than Garen. Garen is a guy who can come back after a tactical withdrawal and hold the line for everyone (based on his passive). Darius is a guy who's attitude towards retreating involved beheading his superior who ordered such a cowardly tactic.

I'm not defending Darius (I don't like fighting against him) just pointing out that he is different from Garen and will do some things better.

King Odin2 votes

he is different from Garen and will do some things better.

Agreed, but currently there is no situation in which Garen would be better to have on the team than Darius

MegaManYYZ2 votes

the only situation is if one of your lanes are getting stomped on but who would pick based on that? lol

Ralanr2 votes

Well...Having a silence when you need it would be pretty nice.

Blade of Justic2 votes

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Agreed, but currently there is no situation in which Garen would be better to have on the team than Darius

I've seen many games where Garen versed Darius top and, after Darius stomped Garen in lane, Garen came back and nuked Darius for being so fed.

HayRoss2 votes

Here's my problem with the juggernauts:

Garen Mordekaiser Skarner If these nerds build no damage, they deal no damage

Darius If this nerd builds no damage, he gets a pentakill

dangopee1 votes

Darius can also build warmogs and spirit visage is core on him.

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