Black Cleaver should only be able to apply one tick per x amount of time.

S0NA·4/16/2017, 7:47:39 PM·6 votes·646 views

QoL updates for how fast things tick (Singed Q, Rumble Q, etc.) can never be applied to AD champs cuz of Black Cleaver.

Ashe in particular can abuse Cleaver ridiculously, one Q auto applies up to 15 stacks almost instantly. This is not how the item is intended to be used. Spells like Wukongs R can be flashed out of (to avoid the knock up) because it doesn't tick fast enough, and this can't be fixed because it would make BC op.

I understand this might be a nerf to Darius and a couple other champs, so they might need small compensation buffs, but this shouldn't be an argument for preventing this type of update.

8 Comments

TheHappyReaperz4/16/2017, 7:58:43 PM2 votes

Black Cleaver stacks a max of 6 times. Really the only AD champs who can apply it that quickly that you'd need a limit on it, are Ashe, a ranged champ who rarely builds it, Darius, whose bleed ticks at a rate 1 per sec thus meaning Black Cleaver would have to have more than a second interval in between stacks, which would be a massive nerf to anyone who used it. I see no reason for this.

The Lost Marbles4/16/2017, 7:58:23 PM1 votes

Lucian's ult will fully stack Black Cleaver on a target in just 0.9 / 0.75 / 0.6 seconds, roughly.

Just fun facts.

He can also Q -> double auto -> E -> double auto for five stacks fairly quickly.

Requiemsfire4/16/2017, 8:18:16 PM1 votes

Graves

Critmaster Garen4/16/2017, 8:34:04 PM1 votes

i dont see why they cant increase the tick rate on wukongs ult. is there any actual reason it shouldnt be possible? because the impact would be small, and hes trash anyways.

a microscopic buff like that wouldnt make or break the champion.

if it did buff him too much, they could always reduce the mid/lategame damage on the ult slightly to compensate.

in the end its just damage values. damage is one of the easiest factors to balance.