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Red Kayn, Blue Kayn, Novocaine.

TengenToppaGnar·4/27/2019, 5:21:09 PM·2 votes·2,132 views

So, curious... is there a site that tells you whether Rhaast or Assassin Smurf is better? Like which version has the higher win-rate? I'm also curious, should no site exist with that much detail, what the mains think. Personally, I think Rhaast is still good, the best even, after the nerfs. Sure he's not God's Perfect One-Shot idiot, but its a team game, and he opens up some nasty kill potential, not to mention how annoyingly tanky he is for an assassin. Maybe its just me, but every blue kayn I've met has ultimately lost the matches I've been in, while Red(despite the rarity) either turns the game on its head or zones the carr(y)(ies) with his god forsaken CC.

I could just be wrong all together and each match requires a different Kayn, and more often than not we needed the Red, but people are egotistical damage hungry glory hoes and go blue all the time.... I think there should be a Hybrid Purple Kayn where the two stop bickering and merge in harmony, might be OP as f*** tho, haha

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Naalith4/28/2019, 6:38:17 AM1 votes

I'm pretty sure Riot has their own internal metrics that say each form's winrate, but because of how the API works all the stat tracking websites obviously combine them into one statistic.

Personally I think they are on equal footing, with each being an absurd tool in specific situations. If there are 2 tanky people (juggernauts or fighter champs included) then Rhaast is a good choice because you can shred the tanky people while frontlining for your team and get some crazy multi-person knockups off. You don't die, you kill everyone eventually, your healing is insane. Shadow Kayn is memed but when people pick a team comp with 1 or less tank I always go Shadow, and I usually win. Besides Ekko I think he might be the best scaling assassin in the game into late game, and if you transform at around 10 minutes (which good Kayns usually will) you immediately have kill pressure on every single enemy in the game which snowballs you to an unstoppable murder machine.

Basically, Rhaast is a great general pick and even crosses into the OP category if they have too many tanky people, but is always useful. Shadow Kayn requires the enemy to all selfishly pick damage champions, but when they do you immediately win because of how insane his kill pressure is. Additionally, if they have a couple tanks but you can tell the tanks are bad and they have a good ADC or mid, you can go Shadow Kayn and kill their good players every single fight right at the start then still dish out insane AOE damage for a teamfight you will always have the upper hand in because someone gets clapped before the fight can even start.

Ultimately people pick Kayn with the intention of always "maining" one or the other, but that's not how he was meant to be played. Some games I don't even know which form I want to go until I see who is carrying on the other team, then transform to screw over that person so their most useful player is suddenly countered. There are very few champions who counter both forms, and as such you can play Kayn as both an idiot check (Shadow Kayn), a good general tool to carry while frontlining (Rhaast), and as a sort of in-game champion select tool to counter someone after the game has started in a way no other champion can really do. It also helps he is super fun either way you play him, just my opinion though I guess.