Why doesn't Alistar's abilities scale with Max health?

TyroneWatermelon··2 votes·939 views

His passive could use 1% max hp per second instead being completely useless late after level 6 and his heal could be 5% max hp without being complete trash if not levelled(or 3/3.5/4/4.5/5% max hp I find this very illogical that of the most tanky champs in the game scales with 0 tankiness in his entire kit other than some hp

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TehNACHO5 votes

Probably because he's an actual Tank, not a Juggernaut.

His builds should lean on the utility he can bring to a team, not stat checking the hell out of people in 1v1s by being both too Tanky to burst down and possessing way too much damage to tank.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

I guess that's why Braum's core damage and cc scales with health and he gets percentage armor and mr

TheI3igDaddy3 votes

Braum isn't the one who can displace an enemy so harshly that they get slammed right into his allies. Braum needs to ult for that, and even then he can't really MOOOOOVE (sorry) people like Alistar can.

Braum is supposed to protect others, his Q is literally the only damage he has outside of his ult. Alistar's supposed to smack the hell out of people and disorientate them, all while being unkillable.

I'm all for changing Alistar's scalings to AD, because he's physically hitting people with his 'spells', but to give him all %health scaling would send him over the top. He already has the best defensive steroid in the game.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Alistar got single target dash knockback,while braum got ally and minion dash. Alistar's also damaging abilities are single target and AOE just like braum. Anyway,5% max hp is not much,plus reduced by half to allies(2.5%) His passive is useless garbage anyway. Your last argument gave me cancer because this game is illogical,many things happen physically that deals magic damage and magically that deals physical damage.

TheI3igDaddy1 votes

He should really just have his passive on all the time, instead of on ability cast. A damage increase would also help, but then it would make his jungling better and Riot can't stand the idea of the cow jungling.

I like how your reasoning is 'the game is already fucked, we shouldn't try to un-fuck it'. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

TehNACHO1 votes

Entirely different kit. Braum only has one basic ability to inflict damage onto his enemies. Alistar, with his passive, has three.

Furthermore, his allies also receive the benefit of that Armor and MR.

LadyRenly3 votes

because then his ratios would need to be nerfed because all alistar does is build hp or resistances

tanks having their ratios NOT be tank stats is a good thing

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Nerfed? I was talking about his useless heal and useless passive,and those two,atleast the heal are more kind of utility than raw crap. Taric' heal scales with both health and ap. Taric w and passive scales with armor. Tahm kench deals more damage the more health he has. Leona's defensive ability scales with her resistances.

FurretHasAGlock1 votes

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Nerfed? I was talking about his useless heal and useless passive,and those two,atleast the heal are more kind of utility than raw crap. Taric' heal scales with both health and ap. Taric w and passive scales with armor. Tahm kench deals more damage the more health he has. Leona's defensive ability scales with her resistances.

No no No, you got it wrong bb, you see, his passive is still helpful, as considering in lategame teamfights, it has synergy with immolate, dealing a pretty nice chunk of AOE per second

LaoBushido3 votes

CC not damage is more of his core strength , giving him tahm' ultimate passive would make him over loaded and in need of heavy nerfs

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Knockup and single target knockback,then useless for the next 6,7.8 sec with full cdr

67chrome2 votes

His ult gives him a free item 3072 +item 1036 +5 in damages.

Spaming heals to trample while doing some pretty substantial damage via sitting on-top of the enemy team and punching them to death while you're nigh-unkillable isn't being useless. Especially considering 70% DR is makes him so close to invincible he can just body-block shots for his team and give 0 bothers while doing so.

There's a lot more Alistar brings than just a displacement combo.

idontplaythemeta3 votes

Because alistar is supposed to be an annoying cc support with great peel and utility. He doesn't need hp ratios because of his utility. Also rito does there best to bring uniqueness to the game. And if every tank had an hp ratio... The that's a -1 to uniqueness. Also full ap Ali is funny when you trash an illaoi XD hp ratios mean less ap ratios.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Alistar got 0 uniqueness in his kit. Full ap Alistar is for the same scrubs that build full ap rek'sai or Yasuo

FurretHasAGlock1 votes

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Alistar got 0 uniqueness in his kit. Full ap Alistar is for the same scrubs that build full ap rek'sai or Yasuo

NOT EVEN CLOSE. AP alistar is strong still, considering that you basically whack the shit outta people and burst entire teams down with your Q, then walk away like nothing happened with your ult.

Pawn of hearts2 votes

FULL AP alistar is GOD right now, leave him alone, it better if don't touch a champ and change it over and over again, this thread is close.

Quepha1 votes

His Q and W are already as strong as the ultimate abilities of many champs in terms of their ability to peel and cc, yet you want to make them also deal a ton of damage?

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