Don't Worry About the Nerf to Dark Matter

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Are you the dumbass that gets hit by Veigar's W? It's okay, not all of us can have common sense.

Actually bronze IV support player with a 1.84 KDA who is very bad at the game, I don't tend to get hit by Veigar's W and have beaten him in lane every time I've fought him since the buff, and possibly since I've started playing.

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If you haven't got anything productive to say...

That's what I WOULD say, but I know the boards.

Any thread can be productive. Try sparking a discussion, think of how it could be better for everyone. Everyone but Vayne, that is

Hey sure man, I could do that, but I don't feel this thread deserves it. But just to prove I can:

I don't feel the nerf to Veigar's W solves what Veigar's real problems are. His biggest problem is safety. He can farm from 950 range and is rewarded exceptionally for doing so, which makes it very hard to bully the infinite scaling late game hard carry (compare to Nasus, who is far easier to punish because he has to farm at range, and has a much weaker late game). Hitting the range of his Q might be a viable way to bring him more in line.

The most unhealthy aspect of Veigar's kit though is probably his ult's scaling off of the enemy's AP. So essentially, you're punished for building an AP carry like an AP carry, and the items you build to counter Veigar tend to make you weaker against the rest of Veigar's team. Mechanics that punish the player for doing well are inherently unhealthy.

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Would you kindly demonstrate an appropriate reaction then?

Not pretending that it's impossible to hit E/W for starters.

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Well, yeah.

See, the thing about Veigar that people vehemently refuse to accept is that he is not a strategic champion. Nothing in his kit possesses nuance; you land E, press all the buttons. There is nothing complex about his kit or interacting with it. Veigar is a tactical champion, everyone should be familiar with his tools, and position themselves accordingly, just as Veigar should. If Veigar is in a team with heavy displacement, you can assume he will try to set up Event Horizon so his teammates can capitalize on that.

If you are getting stun-locked, you were already dead.

If you were caught by Event Horizon and couldn't be bothered to run out before it activated, you were caught out of position.

The start-up time on it is a lot shorter than you are giving credit for.

Yeah if I am in lane and trying to space it out I can avoid it but that is a legitimate threat he has I need to be mindful of.

I'm not saying there isn't counter play to it and if I get hit, it can be legitimately my fault.

I am saying getting hit that that or his W is possible, more so his E leading into W or some form of CC helping Veigar out. It is possible to be hit by it is all I was ever saying.

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The difference is that Nasus has an incredibly weak lane phase and actually falls off lategame since he just gets kited around like a bitch against competent players.

There's also the fact that he doesn't deny ganks with AOE CC and is melee.