Riot's Reaction to Feedback

A Superb Villain·Apr 21, 2016·268 votes·10,057 views

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139 Comments

Your third momApr 21, 201638 votes

YUP they say 6.9 updates are inprogress but i'm sure they'll just ignore it and do as they please anyways

Malicious MetalApr 21, 201685 votes

I'm having post War flasbacks from 5.16 Morde...

ArbiterOfTruthApr 21, 20167 votes

Have you tried the changes? I'd like to see someone's opinion on them who has tried them.

ZT XperimentorApr 21, 20166 votes

Think of the graves rework, but mostly backwards; loss in power for a gimmick, loss of reach, loss of defense & sustainability.

Malicious MetalApr 21, 201644 votes

I've tried Vik, Vlad, Malz and Swain already, all of which are champions I enjoy playing in their current form.

Vik just got wayyyyy more clunky, he is no longer the smooth, awesome Machine herald I love playing.

Vlad is a lot more satisfying to play, albeit a bit on the weaker side.

Malzahar feels like a prophet of the void and his Voidlings are hella cool.

And Swain didn't change much but became an absolute Monster with the new items.

RalanrApr 21, 201611 votes

As someone who hates fighting Vlad, Swain, and Malz, this update horrifies me.

Malicious MetalApr 21, 201617 votes

Malzahar can melt tanks even easier now^^ A late game ultimate deals about 60-70% max hp damage.

Swain became even harder to kill by getting Zhonyas earlier, SV's healing being buffed and the sustain on The Catalyst^^

RalanrApr 21, 20168 votes

Damn it Rito, why can't you let me tank everyone?!

Eh, I guess I need to learn more than tanks...but it goes against my default survival playstyle!

ImmortalBloodCYApr 21, 20163 votes

Go play Heimerdinger and push like a madman :P

RalanrApr 21, 20164 votes

But I don't like mages!

ImmortalBloodCYApr 21, 20161 votes

Then play Mordekaiser, he is half Juggernaut half Mage Half AD.

Masala ChaiApr 21, 20162 votes

He is 1.5 of a champ

Malicious MetalApr 21, 201610 votes

He's twice the champ than anyone else. Well... As long as he has his clone.

Ironclad DragonApr 22, 20161 votes

Hides Sion

RalanrApr 22, 20162 votes

I keep fucking up against them as Sion. Seriously, it's embarrassing.

rtbf225618241Apr 21, 201627 votes

Wait, you're saying you played something OTHER than Mordekaiser?

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kaltenashesApr 21, 20165 votes

yasuo from 5.22

go on yasuo, enjoy the crits... not you ashe, time for a rework

RalanrApr 21, 201638 votes

To be fair, sometimes the players know jack shit about balance. A lot of the cries for nerfs are because people do not know how to fight a particular champion.

This is my reasoning for Vlad, Malz, and Irelia. I don't think they are gamebreaking, I just find them really fucking annoying and wouldn't mind them (mainly Irelia ) being nerfed to oblivion until reworked into a less annoying state. But I'm not going to say that I'm clearly the logical voice in this argument.

A Superb VillainApr 21, 201630 votes

Oh, of course, the logic above also applies to players as well.

I'm just here to feed on the turmoil.

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Goodnight NunuApr 21, 20162 votes

I bet you like all these chaotic changes.

A Superb VillainApr 21, 20166 votes

Truth be told, I have an aversion to chaos, as it is often messy and detrimental. Some changes are not to my liking, while some seem quite reasonable, and a few still are quite acceptable. However, the collective suffering on the Boards is positively divine; I may or may not be caught in the grip of vile rapture.

RalanrApr 21, 20168 votes

I expect nothing less, good Sir.

Blue Moon WolfApr 21, 20164 votes

Every now and then you just got to stir that pot :p

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A Superb VillainApr 21, 201610 votes

I stir it and leave the stove running.

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Hello I am BirdApr 22, 20163 votes

Reported for flaming.

KarfussApr 21, 20167 votes

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To be fair, sometimes the players know jack shit about balance. A lot of the cries for nerfs are because people do not know how to fight a particular champion.

I'd agree IF the community hadn't reached a consensus. If there is a point for dispute, you'll always have bickering between those who know and those who don't have a clue about balance and Riot will always take it with a pinch of salt.

If there is a large consensus? Well. Who really knows the game better? The comparatively small team of developers? Or the millions of active players who play League of Legends without a monthly incentive?

Ariel the CruelApr 21, 201618 votes

Well. Who really knows the game better?

The comparatively small team of developers with access to near limitless raw data about the game, and/or the ability to start gathering needed/wanted data on a whim.

The vocal minority that comes to the forums to comment on changes that normally affect them closely, but still out-numbers the Dev team notably.

You have to remember that the forums (and Reddit) are only a small % of the english community. There are also other countries with feedback that we almost never see.

McKeifusApr 21, 20161 votes

I'm not sure data can say everything about how fun a game is
They don't seem to be paying much attention to data, at least they aren't paying attention to the same data we are

For example, a champion can have an exact 50% win rate, be fun to play but be really terrible to play against. Data can't reveal that, only lots of playtesting will. And sometimes it takes playing against that champs dozens of times, or certain weird playstyles arising from dirty nasty unintended builds to discover those weaknesses. Even if the champ isn't 'broken', they can be unhealthy for the game.

Ariel the CruelApr 22, 20162 votes

Both sides have their pros and cons. But the question was "who knows the game better". I'm going to say the Dev team as the advantage over the forums.

RozairApr 21, 20161 votes

I ban irelia maybe I'm the only one but I know that she's broken as hell along with to and true damage in general

RalanrApr 21, 20162 votes

It's her stun that tilts me the most.

Spaceman5pffApr 21, 20161 votes

Jax Kennen Pantheon Poppy Renekton TahmKench Gnar

So I guess these champs are all huge problems for you as well.

RalanrApr 21, 20161 votes

Haha no. Their stuns are expected when they happen.

Irelia's fucking isn't...

Spaceman5pffApr 21, 20165 votes

Really? I never had too many issues with the part where I do damage to her, and she stuns me. Seems pretty straightforward. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

crippler38Apr 21, 20162 votes

I think it's the wonky health detection on her stun that tilts him

Spaceman5pffApr 21, 20164 votes

really, I wouldn't call consistent metrics wonky

if u have = or more HP u can get stunned.

IDK do u guys play with hp bars off or something?

BeMyFriendPleaseApr 21, 201624 votes

reminds me of blizzard: "will you open up a server for previous expansions only?" Blizzard: "You think you want that, but you really don't"

But.... the difference is riot wouldn't dare have a q&a to even give us the chance to ask lolol

Ariel the CruelApr 21, 201618 votes

Yep.Too bad Riot never does Q&As, AMAs, posts on the forums, or have an entire sub-section of the forums dedicated to announcing and talking about upcoming changes.

Vistha KaiApr 21, 20168 votes

You see, the difference between that Blizzard's Q&A and Riot's Q&As is that Blizzard simply couldn't ignore a guy, who got the microphone and asked that question in front of a crowd of people next to the stage they were on.

Riot can, because all of their Q&As are written.

Have you seen Riot respond to every comment of a Q&A? I sure haven't.

RalanrApr 21, 20165 votes

They get a lot of questions.

Gnart Even CloseApr 21, 201615 votes

remember that one time that people said Darius was too weak on the PBE so they decided to buff him? remember that monstrosity? remember how people always irrationally freak out over the slightest change? sometimes it's better that Rito doesn't listen.

that being said, they should be listening to people who actually know what they're talking about, like Malicious Metal so the Mordekaiser dilemma doesn't happen again.