Please look at Zyra, Janna + khazix + aatrox
I really like these four champions mentioned in the thread and feel they are very very outdated in terms of current meta.
I feel like zyra to be a good support or a good mid, takes far too long to setup for a proper engagement. Planting 4 seeds + then ulting(which also takes WAY too long to hit) then the snare has to travel, and her q is delayed also. She is not even close to comparing with the means of a ziggs, yasuo, kayle, or whoever you want mid / support. ( morganna, leona, nami probably top picks support wise)
I played janna last night a few times, since she is free this week and i feel she is very very weak as well. Her tornados are so obvious where they are going to hit, that it is easily dodgeable + her W does absolutely no damage. Her E, is great and heal on ult is great. Maybe make w castable on a ally like nami. IDK it just doesnt seem worth to go janna support when theres better options ( again, morg,leona,nami)
Khazix used to be one of my favorite champions i thought he was so cool and did good damage but now, after the nerf stick i feel he is not even close to where he should be. I feel like khazix jungler is not even close to the damage a YI, jax, malphite, elise, etc. Not only in terms of damage, but khazix doesnt get the gank benefit because they are NEVER isolated. Always can be near a turret/etc.
And last but not least, one of my favorite champs AATROX , needs more damage too. His whole kit is perfect but i feel his damage needs a bit of a upgrade. To be compared to other junglers, he has to literally kill him self by activating W to be comparable to a good jungler today in terms of damaage.
am i wrong?