To those "can't support" "anything but support" "not support" players

Sigh Shaco GG··214 votes·10,831 views

We all hate you.

Sincerely, League.

265 Comments

Aeolian Melodies122 votes

No, I love them. They're the best teammates I can get matched with.

Sincerely, A support only player.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

cuddlykitten42 votes

Agreed

Starfish H10 votes

Honestly gj being a support main. I own Blitzcrank, got level 5 master with him, and own iBlitz, BattleBoss, and Racecar Blitz but I just think supporting is a little........boring. No offense but when I go support (an exception is with friends) I feel like slamming my face onto a wall to entertain myself.

TotalJerk9 votes

That's because you're the type of support that just sits around and gets carried. There's far more opportunity to influence the game as a support than people realize. I personally find top lane to be far more boring. Bot lane is potentially bloodier, supports can roam and control vision better, and since you don't have to put as much focus and mana into CSing, you can spend more time harassing and making plays.

Starfish H8 votes

Hey man calm down on the hostility. As I said I play a lot of Blitzcrank so I know how to support. It's just I don't find it as enjoyable as Top or JG. It's just my personal preference. I never said supports are useless I'm just saying I find support to be less exciting then say a Garen vs Riven fight up in top.

Delioth11 votes

Blitzcrank isn't a very good picture of the supporting style- you fish for grabs. If you make a grab> lane just won. If not> Lane lost, you're useless for the rest of the game. If you play literally any other support the game's much less binary and much more fun.

TotalJerk2 votes

What part of what I said was hostile? Top lane IMO is boring as hell because the highlight of the laning phase is basically a TP play, other than that, you're so geographically separated from everything that not much goes on up there in a match between good players. There's a reason top lane is called an island.

Starfish H3 votes

I just assumed you were hostile due to you saying I'm the type of support to just sit and do nothing. I just like Top because I play a lot off global Ult champs like Sion or Shen which makes it a lot less island-y

ValyrianBlade38 votes

I'd argue the problem is League and not the players.

While I agree that you should know every role, and saying "can't X" is unacceptable, that's not your argument. You're specifically mentioning anti-Supports.

Which raises the question, why? The answer feels obvious, most players don't like support anyways.

So, is the problem really with players who "can't support"? Perhaps their playstyle is hugely aggressive and snowbally which doesn't fit the support role well at all (aggressive may, but you're not going to snowball very often as a support). Perhaps they're only at this elo because they have god-like last-hitting abilities which are entirely wasted on support (and jungle admittedly).

So why are these players a problem? Because most players dislike playing support more than any other roles. Which means it's Riot's fault, not the players.

Make support more fun to play and the problem disappears. A game where 1 of 5 roles is considered a burden or chore to more than 4 of 5 players (I'd guess it's over 90% to be honest) is NOT a well designed game. Even if everything else about league is great (I'd argue there are some serious balance issues right now too, but I digress) you can't make a game where you expect to have an over 50% chance that one person on a team will not enjoy playing that game.

Personally, I dislike support because I feel useless later in the game despite playing exceedingly well early. I've had several support games where I'll start 3/0/6 or 0/0/9, but if the ADC (my main role, btw) hasn't CS'd well or doesn't position well he's entirely useless while if either enemy solo laner or jungler has a lead I'm nothing more than a walking cannon minion and can't do anything to stop them. In contrast had i done that well in literally any other role, perhaps I'll still lose but at least I'll be in a position to make plays, perhaps get a timely pick and bring my team back in to the game.

I have carried several games where all 4 of my allies have fallen far behind and succeeded in winning as every other role in the game. Far more often I've been relevant in these games and given our team a flicker of hope although we ultimately still lose. I enjoy those games because they're a challenge and I feel like I could still have an impact.

I've never carried a game as a support where both solo lanes and the jungler are far behind, and my ADC isn't also playing well (I have still "carried" games as support by getting my ADC a lead and letting him carry, but that still requires at least one ally to help me carry). I've also never had such a game where I'm ahead as support and the team remains somewhat positive because the support can get them back in to it. I hate these scenarios because I feel like I played incredibly well and it was completely useless as I still have no impact whatsoever.

GinoSoldier6 votes

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I've never carried a game as a support where both solo lanes and the jungler are far behind, and my ADC isn't also playing well (I have still "carried" games as support by getting my ADC a lead and letting him carry, but that still requires at least one ally to help me carry). I've also never had such a game where I'm ahead as support and the team remains somewhat positive because the support can get them back in to it. I hate these scenarios because I feel like I played incredibly well and it was completely useless as I still have no impact whatsoever.

I'll argue that if anyone managed to carry thanks to your efforts, then you're the true carry. I'm a Sona main and when I play her supp i still build mostly AP, and i play her 'cause i like her ability to carry in the sense that she can be everywhere doing everything and she helps everyone. All those kills earned with speed buffs or thanks to that one heal, or that one stun or slow are kills earned partially by you, and if your team isn't damned to get one without your input, then regardless of score, you're the carry.

It's just that while an ADC carries by killing and pushing and a tank carries by locking down people, supports carry by making other people carry more than they normally would.

Sauceyapples14 votes

In one game, I won a match as support in ranked because I asked the other support for a support fight (Wow, lotsa supports in there). My team was watching me fight Alistar as a Braum , and for a while it was an epic fight. Until his team interrupted. So, my entire team came and destroyed them because they wasted everything on me, all the while this Alistar is saying, "MY TEAM HAS NO HONOR", and pushed my Jinx in to their team to get a triple kill for us, and then stood there as we killed him. That, my friend, is how to carry as support.

Tuss2 votes

I really hate when you're trying to have a honorable duel as a support/ADC when you get a moment alone with the enemy laner of the same role, and their team just can't leave you alone and the jungle and mid come down to gank, and the top teleports down to help, and you just wanted a battle of the hooks Blitzcrank Thresh

Shonjl2 votes

I see that alot with top lane. I watched one time a WW and Aatrox wanted to try to 1v1 each other(They never could kill each other and had basically the same farm all game) Everytime they tried, one of the sides jungles would come and mess it up, they tried like 3 times in different areas and each time it got interrupted until they both AFKed right before cursing each team off.

It was actually interesting to watch since the few times they were able to fight more than a second, it seemed like the fight would have lasted forever.

TaoistMaster4 votes

SUPPORTAL KOMBAT

ValyrianBlade6 votes

I agree entirely that the support deserves credit in these games. My point is simply that it's possible to to win a game in any other role with 4 brainless allies.

It is not possible in the support role. At least 1 of those allies, worse yet, specifically the ADC, must at least be competent.

And even in those cases, most players don't enjoy the support late game where they're no longer useful as they were in getting their ADC fed early and simply have to hope that their allies play correctly to win. In any other position, you can make the plays to win. A support is never doing anything on their own late game unless it's someone like Brand. A traditional support, regardless of how well they play, will require their allies to position well and make good decisions to win the game.

Orangesilk2 votes

Blitzcrank is widely known for getting teams out of the gutter with well placed hooks even if the adc is deadweight.

Want a support to carry your team in the lategame? Blitz that can godhook often turn objective fights into 4v5s

Auroramancer2 votes

I'll argue that if anyone managed to carry thanks to your efforts, then you're the true carry.

Playing Support isn't about carrying, it's about enabling your carries

Aeolian Melodies13 votes

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snip

You cannot carry from the support role because you lack experience as a support player. Not trying to be blunt, or rude, or anything, but it is what it is. It'd be like me going jungle (my most hated role and least played by far), being utterly useless to my team, and go on to comment about how junglers can't carry a game if their laners suck. That's untrue and we all know it, junglers have a very high impact on the game - just not me as a jungler. Supports have a high impact on the outcome of a game - just not you as a support, because you haven't played it enough to know how to be the reason your team wins.

I have won and lost many games where the support's skill was the deciding factor. Not their farm, or their damage, but their play-making ability. Their ability to get their ADC ahead, their ability to keep them ahead, engage/disengage good fights, clutch save, etc. Now you may think "but, Aeolian Melodies, if your ADC gets fed, he's carrying the team, not you!". Well to that I reply: "And I'm carrying him". The reason he gets ahead and stays ahead is me. Supports are very strong enablers, and this might not be as visible as a pentakill to some players, but it is equally important.

Every time an ADC scores a pentakill a support scores a penta-assist. Never forget.

ValyrianBlade7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aeolian Melodies,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JEFlB6E8,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2016-01-24T16:13:14.798+0000) Supports have a high impact on the outcome of a game - just not you as a support, because you haven't played it enough to know how to be the reason your team wins.

I have won and lost many games where the support's skill was the deciding factor. Not their farm, or their damage, but their play-making ability. Their ability to get their ADC ahead, their ability to keep them ahead, engage/disengage good fights, clutch save, etc. Now you may think "but, Aeolian Melodies, if your ADC gets fed, he's carrying the team, not you!". Well to that I reply: "And I'm carrying him". The reason he gets ahead and stays ahead is me. Supports are very strong enablers, and this might not be as visible as a pentakill to some players, but it is equally important.

Every time an ADC scores a pentakill a support scores a penta-assist. Never forget.

I agree with you entirely here (aside from the first point), but you're just stating my point again or missing it entirely.

The support player can indeed make the difference in a game, and I have indeed been that player.

The support player can indeed be the reason that the ADC gets fed, and can thereby be the main factor to their team winning.

In any case though, the support player is not making plays by himself / herself. In the easiest to analyze scenario as you mentioned with the ADC, you may be the one actually carrying but the ADC is still overall a good player and is having a fairly good game (thanks to his support).

You can play exactly the same as well as support with a less competent ADC who positions poorly and gets caught, and you lose instead of win. You're helpless. If you were the ADC though, you could have positioned better and your support could get caught and you could still clean up the fight and win.

The point is, a support can get their team ahead and pseudo-carry that way. They can't truly carry though - they still need their teammates to play with the lead they've given them appropriately.

Leads do NOT win games (unless the enemy team surrenders to one). Leads simply make it easier to win late game teamfights or objectives which win games. Likewise, a support can carry to establish a lead. A true support (not a brand for example) cannot carry to establish a win. There's a difference. Supports can make it easier for the team to win, but they often can't win themselves. Any other role is at least capable of literally getting the nexus destroyed due to their individual play.

Aeolian Melodies5 votes

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I agree with you entirely here (aside from the first point), but you're just stating my point again or missing it entirely.

The support player can indeed make the difference in a game, and I have indeed been that player.

The support player can indeed be the reason that the ADC gets fed, and can thereby be the main factor to their team winning.

In any case though, the support player is not making plays by himself / herself. In the easiest to analyze scenario as you mentioned with the ADC, you may be the one actually carrying but the ADC is still overall a good player and is having a fairly good game (thanks to his support).

You can play exactly the same as well as support with a less competent ADC who positions poorly and gets caught, and you lose instead of win. You're helpless. If you were the ADC though, you could have positioned better and your support could get caught and you could still clean up the fight and win.

No.

While a good support with a good ADC is obviously a match made in heaven, a good support can make a not-so-good ADC look much better than he actually is by spoon feeding him the kills, zoning the enemy out so he ends up outfarming them even if they miss a lot of CS, peeling for them when they get caught, buffing them to make up for their poor trading skills, etc., overall making the poor player's life much easier and making him shine.

The reverse is also true - a great ADC can carry his lane and his game if his support is bad (unless the support is straight up feeding, in which case the enemy ADC will be too fed to be dealt with in what is basically a 3v1 lane).

Do you watch NHL? Montreal Canadians are like a bad ADC with a godlike support (Carey Price). When the support was there, they looked awesome. Such plays, such victories, wow, much Stanley Cup. Take him away, they suck balls and might not even make it into the play offs if he does not come back in time (and even then he better be on his A-game). It's painfully obvious now that they need him to be a good team, and no, you can't just put anyone else in front of the goal and have the same effect. A bad ADC leans on his support to make him shine in the same manner.

The feeling you get by carrying from other roles, I get by carrying from support, because I have the support experience to carry from that role. And you know what? The moment I go to another lane, if I win, I most likely got carried. But when I'm supporting - step aside, bitches, this game's mine.

OF COURSE you don't carry every game as support - but you don't carry every game as any role either.

ValyrianBlade5 votes

You can say you're making an ADC look good as much as you want. And in lane you could be right.

Once it comes to late game though, you can't make them position how you want. If they're positioning poorly all of your effort is lost. It doesn't matter if you're still making the most sick peels or catches or w/e, if your team is positioning poorly late game you won't win. You can carry people that are "okay" at late game positioning. At any elo above bronze (or maybe low silver) you'll lose with people that position horribly in the late game.

Solitair3 votes

That being true, the problem with support is that it just doesn't give enough basic incentives to play the role in order for more people to want to play it. People like instant gratification. It is wired into us, and is why games that light up and make happy sounds every time you push a button become "addicting"( ex: candy crush). Gratification comes in many forms, the most basic of which is something like csing--something supports don't really get to do. There's also the gratification of getting a kill and seeing the on screen notifications. These exist for all kills, but an assist only gets a tiny little box off to the side with their champ icon on it. Then there's the team's reaction. Team mates tend to reward verbally any carry that can clean up a penta or perform in general. I've seen pentas where literally the only action taken by the person who obtained the penta was last hitting the enemy team, and it was still heralded as an achievement, despite the obvious lack of effort. People say gj jinx, or gj vayne--they rarely say gj Alistar, or gj janna by comparison. -- I have actually been chastized by my carry for "not helping with his penta", when in fact, I was zoning/ 1v3ing the enemy carries/support while my team mates enjoyed an easy 2 kills; and followed this by surviving while they cleaned up the remaining 3. I knew that we could not win a fair team fight, and I employed a strategy to tip the balance in our favor, as I was tanky enough. But since my role did not come with an announcement certifying that I had been useful, and I'd only gotten 3 assists by the nature of zoning, I was denounced as useless. This is something supports may experience frequently. Then there's the fact that support champions can simply feel less impactful. Sometimes they just don't feel rewarding to play. Supports like Blitzcrank and Thresh at least have some instant gratification of landing hooks, which is why some people seem more able to appreciate a good blitzcrank than a good lulu.

Then there's the punishment. Many people learn early on that mistakes as a support or "kill stealing" will be punished harshly by an unreliable lane partner. So not only does the role feel less gratifying and reqarding, but it also feels punishing.

You can carry as a support, and things definitely get better for them as elos go higher, but people learn from bad experiences early on.

Jungle can also feel the same way, but seems to swing in popularity as jungle champions themselves become more or less OP. Up until the Runic echos recently, I'd pretty much had the jungle role all to myself with little contesting.

BakedLotion12 votes

who plays a game to babysit a kid yelling at you? No one. That's why support is dumb and boring

Aeolian Melodies12 votes

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who plays a game to babysit a kid yelling at you? No one. That's why support is dumb and boring

If you get yelled at often as support you're doing something wrong. I do get the occasional bitch ADC but they're actually quite rare. Most of them are pretty neutral.

BakedLotion5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aeolian Melodies,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JEFlB6E8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-01-24T15:31:58.571+0000)

If you get yelled at often as support you're doing something wrong. I do get the occasional bitch ADC but they're actually quite rare. Most of them are pretty neutral.

no i often do well as support. They can be 15/0 and still be yelling at you for accidently taking a cs

Aeolian Melodies8 votes

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no i often do well as support. They can be 15/0 and still be yelling at you for accidently taking a cs

No they aren't. And this is coming from someone who plays Sona who's a master at taking CS and kills by accident.

BakedLotion6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aeolian Melodies,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JEFlB6E8,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-24T16:14:11.175+0000)

No they aren't. And this is coming from someone who plays Sona who's a master at taking CS and kills by accident.

sorry i didnt know u knew everything I experienced. My bad!

Aeolian Melodies7 votes

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sorry i didnt know u knew everything I experienced. My bad!

I don't. I'm simply saying you're overstating what actually happens. Given how many support games I have under my belt, if the average ADC player was a dick to their good supports, I'd know.

Either that or you're playing in cardboard 15 where everyone is a dick to everyone regardless of role.

Knoyle3 votes

To be fair there are some people who do not ADC well and will put themselves in situations that as a support I cannot bail them out of. Bot lane takes good sync with not just ADC and support but the jungler as well in case things don't go your way. However, there are some games down in hereVayne where some ADCs Vayne tend to Vayne be a bit toxic and rude to their Vayne support because they are not trying to sync with them. Granted sometimes the support is at fault but there are still times where the ADC is not making good calls dies with the support being unable to do jack shit.

Moei2 votes

As a vayne main I try to be SUPER nice to my support, because I know they are all that is keeping me alive until I hit 6.

Healz Please8 votes

Eh. I'd rather people who don't know how to support stay away from it. I hate allowing someone else to play support and see them feed bot lane.

sgtcarrotop8 votes

To those assholes who hold onto pick order like it's the damn bible, and worship RNGesus.

Kindred : " oh hi fellas I'm a jungle main can I please have jungle?

Darius :" stfu ur last pick your fucking support noob"

Kindred :" but..but guys this account is primarily for jungling, and jungle is where I shine. I have next to no supports even on this account."

Karthus :" I don't like jungle but you're last pick, and I'm not supporting, so i'll jungle. "

Kindred:" but guys using the rule of pick order without even considering my input is basically relying on RNG to make our team comp. That's no way to make a team."

MIDSona: "stfu ur brnz last pik trash"

Rumble:"ADC OR FEED"

So sincerely from all of us last pickers. Go fuck yourself.

League of Potato4 votes

Everyone gets last pick sooner or later. Get over yourself. If I go into a game and I finally get the lane I want, I'm not gunna just trust that you're an "amazing" mid laner. Unless we're in Diamond, I won't trust you.

So sincerely from all of us last pickers. Go fuck yourself.

you basically just told yourself to go fuck yourself.

Supreme Senpai692 votes

I'm always last pick and go support, but it's fine because I'm good at support. The other day, I got second pick which is just...amazing. I didn't even have to sacrifice a virgin! Anyway, I get mid and choose LeBlanc. Our last pick finally says, for the first time all champ select, "Yea.. just got out of a bad game where mid fed so I'll be going mid" and instalocked Yasuo. He went 0/8.

We still won, somehow with LeBlanc support our Vayne was fed enough to engage 1v3s and win. But if you're last pick just suck it up and play whatever is left. By ALL means say something at the start if you're last pick, such as "I prefer mid, but I can do anything as long as it's not support." Someone will almost definitely trade you. But if they don't, suck it up lol.

hi im minty2 votes

Pick order is how you lose a game. Not considering someone's strengths and weaknesses is really the worst thing anyone can do.

Glad this new queue will mostly fix this.

Br4ndon7 votes

As a support main I just let them know theyre missing out on being carried.

XxShirosamaxX1 votes

the only problem is that if your not good at it and your adc isn't good then your adc will mostly feed even if you have 0 deaths as support.

Br4ndon2 votes

If your ADC is bad than youre not gonna be able to stop them from doing somethign stupid. Eventually you wont be there to disengage or whatever. Find a good ADC duo and leech the LP off them. Got me to plat.

NyxPyre7 votes

Not wanting to play a role they don't enjoy in a GAME. Shitpost.

Argax6 votes

How did something as simple as this get up voted 47 times? Wow, a simple opinion with 6 words in the post... Genius.

10Tickler5 votes

I've noticed a trend, wherein the people who say those sorts of things, often end up being quite literal. They splitpush top constantly. Are found Farming Raptors/Wolves when the team is setting up for Drake or teamfight. They're just generally incapable of supporting the team whatsoever, in favor of padding their KDA

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Colgate Minuette4 votes

To be honest I can't blame them for not wanting the role.

[zombie-nunu-tears]

It takes a certain sort of personality to want to play that role. Similar to the way Healers are in most MMO games it's a personality that likes to rely on team mates and help others. For people who have visions of glory and "sick plays" the role seems extremely boring and tedious. For those with a serious personality defect LIKE MYSELF:

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

It's enjoyable to help others do well. It's a satisfaction of seeing something you worked to build (your ADC) work the way it is intended (pentakill) the role isn't always the most -rewarding- role in the game in multiple ways such as GOLD (We barely get any tho the latest changes helped that) or even team mates recognition of your efforts. But the small moments of recognition for their efforts make the role worth playing.

For example go look at "Magickarpusedfly" (Don't think I spelt that right) he has a video on Heimerdinger where he has a teammate called "Bee" or "B" or something. They are playing Soraka and just BARELY keeping him alive but playing it -perfectly- so that he didn't die during the fight. He barely escaped the fight with Soraka basically butt-clenching her way to victory and the entire time he's screaming "BEE!!!!!--- BEEEE!!!!!!---- WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD AT THIS GAME BEEEEEE!!!- FUCKKKKKKKKKKK" From personal experience, when your carrys (toplane/mid/adc whatever) Are getting saved by their support -that hard- this is exactly what they do every time. They scream and laugh cause it's so strange for them to see the insane impact the support has. These are the only moments in which a support actually gets the praise for their role they deserve but for someone who plays the role often, it's the only moments they need to be reassured they are indeed a strong player.

The role has huge pitfalls for anyone without a serious mental issue like all of us support mains (Seriously wtf is wrong with us) and that's why it's so hard for mid and top mains to understand the role and to play it with any conviction. Do they actually hate the role? Probably not. They're most likely just bored by it, too lazy to put in the effort required to properly play the role.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Anyway. Last point:

It might also have something to do with support being -the most difficult role in the game- You can try to argue against that point all you want but you won't convince me otherwise. I won't bother explaining why here cause this comment is already super long but bottom line is: You help everyone else do their job with half their gold and half their items.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Delphinium4 votes

Its a pain when a support main meets with other support mains

63536895_DEL4 votes

What players really mean when they say "can't support , anything but support, not support" is "can't take mental abuse" "anything but mental abuse" "not mental abuse".

Who can blame players for not wanting to deal with an adc who gets grabbed by the enemy Blitz 3 times a minute and violently blames the support.

The support role itself isn't the problem, its the adc's who make people not want to play that god awful role.

nintentwins3 votes

The worst part is these "anything but support" players have NO EXCUSE. Soraka is only 450 ip, anybody can save up and buy her without even trying just so they can have at least one support champion, should they be forced to supp. Plus blitzcrank is crazy fun, so theres that. I had a game where my supp only owned one supp champion, which was blitz, and blitz got banned. So I convinced him to buy raka since she's very cheap and it would give him another supp to work with. And that game turned out really well. I can understand not liking to play support. But owning no support champions makes no sense, anybody can buy raka, only 450 ip.

Noname41233 votes

I'm glad I'm a "can't ADC" "anything but ADC" "not ADC" player.

MrWasjig2 votes

This is exactly the reason I became a Support main in the first place. Because nobody else wants to fucking play Support xD Not that I have an issue playing it myself mind, only when people completely ignore all the work you do as a Support [zombie-nunu-bummed]

kaltenashes2 votes

i've been playing on an older account i have (i remembered the password XD) and i'm carrying all my games with traditional Karma, for some reason some of the past few games, the enemy team had 2 adcs

and i love when Sona comes to poke my adc but i just e my adc and w+ r+q "sona plz come poke my adc, plz"

PrfsrChaos2 votes

I don't understand those players it is the ultimate stress relief.

If you're having a bad day in solo Q, play support.

Your job is simple, annoy the other team's players as much as possible.

Aww enemy team you wanna be good at trading, no worries Sona Soraka Nami will make sure all of your efforts are futile.

Oh no!! You wanna burst down my adc?!! That's cool Morgana Zilean Janna will make sure that's not an option.

Cool!! You're trying to run away!!! How rude we were talking my buddies Blitzcrank Thresh Nautilus will make sure you come back and say sorry for being so rude.

Being support is freedom. It's hope. It's relaxation. No worrying about cs counts. No one expects you to get the kills since you have no damage. It's not just your job to ward anymore since there are so few available. It's like being that kid that just gets to coast and hold the poster while the rest of your group presents the group project. No stress and no chance of messing up.

You work hard all day in Solo Q trying to carry. Take a few games off, relax a bit, toss down some wards and just throw cc at anything near.

Xyltin2 votes

The thing is that it is impossible to not know how support works.

You are a mid caster main? There are enough supports with a similar playstyle.

Top lane or jungle? Enough tanky supports even tanks that you can play in both of these roles. And it is unlikely that you never played a tank in any of these roles when you main one of it.

ADC? You have to know how a support works or you can't play the bot lane well with any synergy. Just go for a defensive Janna and do what you would expect from your support if you would be the ADC.

Talon main? Ok now you got a problem.

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