Xin Zhao's spear's range

Danjeng··24 votes·2,565 views

Xin Zhao has a range of 175, the same as Yasuo.

I am somewhat bothered by this, because Xin Zhao is wielding a spear, while Yasuo has a katana. Shouldn't Xin have a longer range? One of the main points of using a spear is that it has a better reach compared to a sword. Yasuo manages to slice with a sword the same distance as Xin thrusting his spear. When Yasuo thrusts with q, which is a weird thing to do with a katana, it has 475 range. Xin's /dance has him swing his spear around way further out than his aa range, so I don't know why he doesn't utilize that range.

I am not advocating any changes to his range at all. This is more of an aesthetic opinion, but somebody reported my post when I put it in Story, Art, and Sound, and it recommended I post this in Gameplay.

Edit: But if Xin is considered for an update, I hope the designers try to make his concept compliment the playstyle. Right now, if Xin didn't have a model, you wouldn't be able to tell he had a spear. If I had to guess, he uses kicks. The third kick on q is to the groin and knocks up the enemy. With w, years of intense martial arts has trained his thigh's stamina. His e he uses his strong leg muscles to lunge at an opponent. His ult, is a crescent roundhouse which knocks everybody away.

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Vistha27 votes

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/635/001/6d5.png

Yasuo's katana is - to be exact - a nodachi whose complete length is bigger than Yasuo's height - which makes his range at least 1.5m + his arm's length.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TfAKP_5JqMU/UpALm5LogOI/AAAAAAAAJlU/7FFrxqJOjZU/s1600/y1.png

Compare that to Xin Zhao who is holds his spear with a wide-set two-handed grip, where the hand in front is way past the mid-point of the pole. Not to mention Xin Zhao's spear isn't particularly a long one, as spears could measure anywhere from 1.5m to 7.5m. His spear is 2.5m long at best. And he doesn't utilize the "full" range of the spear, because you are meant to, ya know... poke people with it, not use it as a blunt weapon with very inefficient spinning motions.

http://www.lolchampion.de/_wordpress_dev716a/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Xin_Zhao_texture.jpg

In conclusion you should be glad they have the same range in game, because Yasuo's should be higher than Xin's.

Danjeng12 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/83QtfwKWdmSEo/giphy.gif Well, thank you. I learned something today.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

wat bout aatrox then, what do you think of his sword?

Vistha1 votes

Aatrox is an interesting case.

On one hand his sword is "alive" and able to extend and constrict at will.

On the other Aatrox's swordsmanship is so... amateur that without his sword being the way it is, it'd be better to punch instead.

How? Take a look at his attack pattern. First he takes a step backwards, then does a lunge and slash, but with his arm very close to his body. Another one is a downward slash where his hand is - again - so close to his torso his wrist does an over 90 degree bend - pretty sure you'd rather injure yourself fighting like that. Not to mention his crit attack is a weird-ass uppercut bitch-slap where his sword behaves like a whip completely wasting its reach. He only does an actual lunge with his 3rd/empowered attack, so I wouldn't see a problem with the W attack having an increased range.

If you'd give Aatrox's sword to, say, Garen - and he'd stick to his moves - he'd naturally out-range all melee champions without accounting for basic attack modifiers, like Rengar's Unseen Predator or Leona's Solar Flare buff.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

So Aatrox is a trashy swordsman to another way I guess? But then again he's not quite himan though. So that means, if Aatrox decides to drop the inefficient shit, his range would be much bigger, amrite?

Vistha1 votes

Pretty much.

I can't be as specific as I was with Yasuo or Xin, because I neither own Aatrox nor remember his proportions that well.

I do think that the blade of his sword in the "resting" state would be at about 1.5m long and possibly about 2m in the extended form as per his basic attacks. It's about the same length when he's ulting, so I assume those 2m would be his sword's maximum length.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

His sword is always fully extended during ult though.

And this would be a nice concept for aatrox to be reworked on too, a different way of using a sword.

Vistha1 votes

His sword is always fully extended during ult though.

It's only extended durning attacks, ult or not. At least that's what checking his animations on LoLking told me.

What changes is how he attacks. He does full motions with an extended arm and actual lunges.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

So when Aatrox ults he actually bitchslaps correclty?

LegendmakerGX1 votes

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wat bout aatrox then, what do you think of his sword?

What the fk is a Aatrox is that a new champion?

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Clearly item 3085

LegendmakerGX2 votes

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http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/635/001/6d5.png

Yasuo's katana is - to be exact - a nodachi whose complete length is bigger than Yasuo's height - which makes his range at least 1.5m + his arm's length.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TfAKP_5JqMU/UpALm5LogOI/AAAAAAAAJlU/7FFrxqJOjZU/s1600/y1.png

Compare that to Xin Zhao who is holds his spear with a wide-set two-handed grip, where the hand in front is way past the mid-point of the pole. Not to mention Xin Zhao's spear isn't particularly a long one, as spears could measure anywhere from 1.5m to 7.5m. His spear is 2,5m long at best. And he doesn't utilize the "full" range of the spear, because you are meant to, ya know... poke people with it, not use it as a blunt weapon with very inefficient spinning motions.

http://www.lolchampion.de/_wordpress_dev716a/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Xin_Zhao_texture.jpg

In conclusion you should be glad they have the same range in game, because Yasuo's should be higher than Xin's.

uhhhh while your at this can you explain to me how a flying ship/boat that is Corki is slower then a fat drunk Gragas? I would appreciate if you can do that for me.

Vistha3 votes

Because Corki's crap bucket has an 500cc engine from a Fiat 126 running on LPG, while Gragas had his growth magically enchanced - he isn't simply fat like the average "damn you, genetics" person, his muscles are much bigger and stronger too.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Though about this, but can u give me ur wisdom about Master Yi's swordmanship? thanks

MunchCrunchLunch8 votes

renekton is a giant crocodile and has as much range as katarina that has fucking daggers

tiny little t rex with tiny arms.

Danjeng2 votes

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/17/Renekton_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160521162210 I wouldn't say tiny.

Ok, the jpg is very small, and doesn't really prove my point. But if you click the image, he has a pretty good reach.

Danjeng9 votes

How does Tryndamere with that bigass sword, have the same range as a blind monk?

Kingnewgameplus1 votes

Fun fact: Kassadin's base auto attack range is higher than tryndamere's, and kass's W gives 50 more range. Because logic.

Auz the Ripper2 votes

magic-y void sword special power GO!

Kingnewgameplus1 votes

Woah man donut spoiler the end of Bleach Piece Z for me bro.

Vistha1 votes

Not my fault it's the only decent image of a Ki Blade/Spirit Sword on the internet.

PiVoRx2 votes

Riot doesent even know about Xin existence in this game.

Spice POWAH2 votes

Actually, the whole point of using a spear is because it's easier to train soldiers with rather than dueling(plus it was cheaper), though it's certainly possible to fight with a spear without a whole formation to back you up.

As for why he uses a spear, everyone in this game who isn't a mage just uses their weapon of choice.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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though it's certainly possible to fight with a spear without a whole formation to back you up.

Seung Mina?!

Mai ex waifu

BIackfox1 votes

His ability to jump on people makes up for it

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

Ummm.... have you met Yasuo????

Frius1 votes

this is really akward ,they are so radomly set than no one gives literally a fuck

garen once 125....juggernaut rework ./...... 175 ,same sword darius same axe 125 to 175

aatrox /diana 150

etc...

Calabok1 votes

he has weak arm strength

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

He doesn't actually use his spear for stabbing, his animation seems to indicate that he's basically just hitting you with the pole at the point where he's holding it.

Meep Man1 votes

Well, technically, Nautilus is straight up holding an anchor but his attack range is also only 175.

The Deckowner1 votes

Because Yasuo is a weeaboo animate character, he comes from a dimension where physic and logic does not apply abd shouting abilities' names can grant super-human power.

And Xin Zhao is just a chinese historic character.

Wheatloaf1 votes

Just sayin', of all the things you could question in league, this is what you got stuck on?

For real, we have a whole class of champions that consists almost entirely of people powering their guns using swords.

Danjeng1 votes

Or buying boots on a mermaid who can float on grass.

Dominick Destine1 votes

I tend to agree, if any melee character should have slightly extended range it should be Xin at 200 or so.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Riven needs more than a measly 200 range during her ult ;/

Do you see the size of that sword?

WoonStruck1 votes

I agree. Nerf Yasuo.

2Nnntv2zw11 votes

I don't get how hyper mobile yasuo with his q gets 175 range but aatrox gets 150, makes no sense.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

I would be shocked if Riot doesn't raise his auto range to 175 when they look at him in 7.1.

Ralanr1 votes

I think Sion also has a 175 AA range.

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