hardiest champ

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IublYdw3,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-01-04T18:09:45.371+0000)

extremely strong early duelling potential. its highly unlikely that you can invade his jungle without getting killed. naturally he can invade easily. if caught out in situations he cant win, his mobility allows for quick and easy escapes.

extremely reliable ganks due to mobility and burst. his base movement speed is very high. depending how much the enemy laner is pushed out, he can often walk up to him for a point blank q. if he cant do that he can throw one from a distance. if he misses, he will usually hit a minion next to his target he can dash to, and slow him. then there is his ability to w on a ward. the ranged slow on his e also gives him the option to outmaneuver his target. when he hits 6 he has 2 forms of cc available. either use it to kick your target into your lane buddy with a ton of burst attached, or use it to escape depending on the situation.

so basically he has a really easy time catching and bursting his opponent if he makes a mistake, and he can reliably escape if he makes a mistake himself.

his clear speed is also very fast. he doent really run out of energy when he weaves a kick in between his spells.

good luck crushing my dreams, as lee sin has ruled the jungle for multiple seasons due to his versatile kit, in every division. not just high ranked games. broim bronze to masters he has a ridiculous playrate even when hes not at his strongest.

this isnt because hes "fun to play" its because its easy to dominate with him.

also vayne has almost 30% pick rate right now at a time where she shouldnt even shine due to the short games.

mobility and versatility dont make a champion difficult or hard to master. they just make them, more powerful over their opponents which makes them easier to play in most situations.

versatility dose make a champ hard to play more way you can do one thing makes you think of how to do them both and which one is better and there more ways to fuck up but i will wait for _Support Tactics _ to say why

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IublYdw3,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-01-04T18:09:45.371+0000)

extremely strong early duelling potential. its highly unlikely that you can invade his jungle without getting killed. naturally he can invade easily. if caught out in situations he cant win, his mobility allows for quick and easy escapes.

extremely reliable ganks due to mobility and burst. his base movement speed is very high. depending how much the enemy laner is pushed out, he can often walk up to him for a point blank q. if he cant do that he can throw one from a distance. if he misses, he will usually hit a minion next to his target he can dash to, and slow him. then there is his ability to w on a ward. the ranged slow on his e also gives him the option to outmaneuver his target. when he hits 6 he has 2 forms of cc available. either use it to kick your target into your lane buddy with a ton of burst attached, or use it to escape depending on the situation.

so basically he has a really easy time catching and bursting his opponent if he makes a mistake, and he can reliably escape if he makes a mistake himself.

his clear speed is also very fast. he doent really run out of energy when he weaves a kick in between his spells.

good luck crushing my dreams, as lee sin has ruled the jungle for multiple seasons due to his versatile kit, in every division. not just high ranked games. broim bronze to masters he has a ridiculous playrate even when hes not at his strongest.

this isnt because hes "fun to play" its because its easy to dominate with him.

also vayne has almost 30% pick rate right now at a time where she shouldnt even shine due to the short games.

mobility and versatility dont make a champion difficult or hard to master. they just make them, more powerful over their opponents which makes them easier to play in most situations.

I've got a problem with the last part of your thread as the reason people play lee sin thresh vayne etc is because they are mechanically satisfying to play therefore leading to a higher pick rate. Also lee sin is supposed to be strong in the early game and you just named all early game strengths which is what he is supposed to have. Also he runs out of energy in mid to late game fights, please play more games and come back to me with a counter argument for that one. Lee sin takes more than mechanical skill also raising his skill mastery (game knowledge jungle pressure mental games). Now tell me what he excels at in the late game and also partially the mid game his damage falls off he has no aoe hard cc unless he hits a skilled placement kick which involved variables set up by the enemy which may not line up in most cases.